Political Party in Re: to Catholicism

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Julianna said:
Now bob, I thought you knew me better than that. No one tells me who to vote for. As you know I never vote a straight ticket and I am a registered independent. Extremist politics are a real turn off IMHO. Political Parties don’t influence me…the issues that are near and dear to my heart do. I will listen to debates here on CAF and weigh the issues against the candidates, but party doesn’t influence me at all, as both have proven to be a disappointment over all.
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If defending our childred from the abortionists makes me an extremist so be it. Again whybwould anyone even consider voting for a pro-abortion canidate regardless of what party they belng to?
 
rubycanoe said:
Here are just 2 places where the popes have sad the war is unjust, if you search you will find more:

cjd.org/paper/jp2war.html

ratzingerfanclub.com/justwar/#jpII

p.s. i am very pro-life and have always voted republican, but after reading this several places i am thinking i might not be able to vote at all, usually voting the lesser of 2 evils
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It gets worse…The American Conservative concedes that the Church has essentially stated that Iraq is Unjust. See this site:

amconmag.com/2005/2005_08_29/article.html

and my blog posf for today, also on the status of the war.
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
Spirit,

That state show why noting will happen on the abortion issue.
Nor any other for that matter. The people of the country do not vote the issues and do not hold the candidates accountable for the positions that they have taken in getting elected. On an earlier post it was notes the Both Reagan and Bush 1 appointed pro life candidates to the Supreme Court It is my understanding that that was not their stance prior to being appointed.

There are issue that we must all consider when we go to vote I believe that the life issue is number one. I would not presume to try and tell anyone who they should vote for as that is there right as an American to vote for the person of their choice. I will point out that if the person has taken a pro choice stance that that person should not really be being looked to as a possible person to vote for. And If I’m correct that is also the Churches stance, If I’m wrong on that please show me.

As for trying to justify voting for a Dem or a Rep Based on the actions of members of either party I can give you example of why you should not vote for either party.

I will state again You must vote the person not the party.

Peace in the Lord

Scott
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Voting for a person without regard to the party to which they belong often results in unintended consequences.
 
Julianna said:
Yeah, the entire Republican party is pro-life…so they say 😃
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Well, you know…it’s amazing how things are spun to make it seem like Republicanism=pro-life when nothing could be further from the truth. In actuality, Repubicanism=corporatism. The pro-life issues are sprinkled over the corporatism to hide them. Sort of like Luther talking about snow-covered dunghills.

Fact is, the Republican party would gladly jettison the pro-life plank if it could get away with it.
 
Julianna said:
Yeah, the entire Republican party is pro-life…so they say 😃
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Actually they are not. In fact there is a good chance a pro-abortion canidate will get the party nomination this year. The Republican Governor of California is Pro-abortion as are at least five US Seantaors. I wouldnt vote for a one of them. One should never put party over life.
 
estesbob said:
Actually they are not. In fact there is a good chance a pro-abortion canidate will get the party nomination this year. The Republican Governor of California is Pro-abortion as are at least five US Seantaors. I wouldnt vote for a one of them. One should never put party over life.
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But it’s done every single day…by Republicans.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
Well, you know…it’s amazing how things are spun to make it seem like Republicanism=pro-life when nothing could be further from the truth. In actuality, Repubicanism=corporatism. The pro-life issues are sprinkled over the corporatism to hide them. Sort of like Luther talking about snow-covered dunghills.

Fact is, the Republican party would gladly jettison the pro-life plank if it could get away with it.
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More ratioalizations to support the slaughter of the innocents. The mental mastrubation required to take that stand is a terrible thing to behold . One makes the false claim thatrepublicans really dont really opose abortions (which requires ignoring the history of the last 35 years) ands thus one should vote for those who support taxpayer funded abortions until the moment the childs head fully exits the womb.(all the while claiming to be pro-life ) I know that argument is absurd on the face of it but all they are looking for is any rationlization to try and justify their support of buthcehing childen.
 
estesbob said:
More ratioalizations to support the slaughter of the innocents. The mental mastrubation required to take that stand is a terrible thing to behold . One makes the false claim thatrepublicans really dont really opose abortions (which requires ignoring the history of the last 35 years) ands thus one should vote for those who support taxpayer funded abortions until the moment the childs head fully exits the womb.(all the while claiming to be pro-life ) I know that argument is absurd on the face of it but all they are looking for is any rationlization to try and justify their support of buthcehing childen.
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Oh, how cute. Your usual cut-and-paste accusation that people who DARE do disagree with the right-wing ideology presented by the Corporatist, sorry… Republican, Party are actually, bloody, murderous, baby-killing Satan-worshiping ghouls who would love nothing more than to restore public human sacrifice.

HOW DARE YOU!!! :mad:

The Republicans oppose taxpayer-funded abortions because they oppose taxpayer-funded ANYTHING. Yes, the Republican party snips around the edges of the abortion issue but nothing substantive is actually accomplished.

Until you acknowledge the Jack Abramof scandal and the part that REPUBLICAN Party operatives and pols play in forced abortions in Saipan, you have absolutely NO credibility whatsover.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
Oh, how cute. Your usual cut-and-paste accusation that people who DARE do disagree with the right-wing ideology presented by the Corporatist, sorry… Republican, Party are actually, bloody, murderous, baby-killing Satan-worshiping ghouls who would love nothing more than to restore public human sacrifice.

HOW DARE YOU!!! :mad:

The Republicans oppose taxpayer-funded abortions because they oppose taxpayer-funded ANYTHING. Yes, the Republican party snips around the edges of the abortion issue but nothing substantive is actually accomplished.

Until you acknowledge the Jack Abramof scandal and the part that the REPUBLICAN Party plays in forced abortions in Saipan, you have absolutely NO credibility whatsover.
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Are you off your meds again?
 
estesbob said:
More ratioalizations to support the slaughter of the innocents. The mental mastrubation required to take that stand is a terrible thing to behold . One makes the false claim thatrepublicans really dont really opose abortions (which requires ignoring the history of the last 35 years) ands thus one should vote for those who support taxpayer funded abortions until the moment the childs head fully exits the womb.(all the while claiming to be pro-life ) I know that argument is absurd on the face of it but all they are looking for is any rationlization to try and justify their support of buthcehing childen.
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I don’t agree that all those who have voted for a pro-abortion candidate support the butchering of children, any more than I believe that all those who voted for a pro-torture candidate support the torture of human beings.
 
frankadams said:
I don’t agree that all those who have voted for a pro-abortion candidate support the butchering of children, any more than I believe that all those who voted for a pro-torture candidate support the torture of human beings.
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Seems to me that ol’ bob is trying to intimidate people into voting Republican only.

Which I could never, ever do in good conscience.
 
frankadams said:
I don’t agree that all those who have voted for a pro-abortion candidate support the butchering of children, any more than I believe that all those who voted for a pro-torture candidate support the torture of human beings.
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And those who voted for the Nazis all claimed after the war that they didn’t vote to put the Jews into concentration camps.
 
rlg94086 said:
It was a joke…which I quickly deleted, but not quick enough apparently. You are obviously cranked up about all of this, and that is too bad.
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I just wish that we could look at these issues with a clear head instead of throwing unfounded accusations like bob does every time someone speaks out against the Republican party. I don’t buy the pro-life stance of the Republican party and I don’t think there’s anything they can do or say to change my opinion because if they were to accomplish the goal of outlawing abortion nationwide, very few Christians would vote for them.
 
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