Political Party in Re: to Catholicism

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didn’t say that, bob…watch the spin, there. It is my right as an American to choose a candidate for elected office. I also have the right to privacy and the right not to disclose who I voted for. I know what separation of church and state actually means.😉
Seems that failure to vote Republican to certain posters means voting for abortion. Sickening, isn’t it?
 
Seems that failure to vote Republican to certain posters means voting for abortion. Sickening, isn’t it?
No, it’s the other way. Voting for a candidate, regardless of party, who supports abortion means voting for abortion.
 
I would like to withdraw my comments above as this is very much on topic. if one votes for a canidate who proclaims he supports torture amnd even came from a party that had the right to torture in their party platform voting for them would indeed be voting for torture. hopefully we will never have such a canidate run for office.
President Bush, in signing a bill which outlawed torture, including what is known as a “signing statement.” This states his interpretation of the law. In that signing statement, he said that outlawing torture would indeed be the law of the land, but that he could break this law if he found torture to be in the interest of “national security.” This is all part of public record and can be easily verified. The president, therefore, supports torture. By the logic of many posters here, anyone who voted for him thereby supports torture.
 
You miss the point. The point is not to start a thread about torture, but to raise a smokescreen – pretending waterboarding terrorists is morally equivallent to killing the unborn. So it’s okay to vote pro-abortion.:rolleyes:
Actually, I raised the issue of torture to demonstrate what I see as flawed logic (see post above). I could have substituted any issue, even something as relatively unheated, like funding for insecit research. I did not have to use an issue involving human dignity, but chose that one because I think most of the posters here oppose torture. I do not believe that “waterboarding terrorists is morally equivalent to killing the unborn.” I made no such assertion.
 
Nowhere does the Catechsim say torture of prisoners and abortion are morally equivalent. Certainly, it does not mention waterboarding or sleep deprivation (which are the things the left mentions when talking about how the U.S. tortures people) at all, anywhere. There’s a lot of difference. The guy who’s waterboarded survives the experience. The aborted child doesn’t. There is just no way that, e.g., my punching someone in the nose (which many would classify as torture) is as serious a sin as murder.

The Pope has not said either the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq are unjust wars. Nor does the CCC say it. It could be argued either way. Abortion cannot be argued either way. Both the Pope and the CCC say abortion is gravely immoral.

If you are going to vote for abortion, and it seems so, just do it, and admit that’s what you’re going to do.
No, it’s the other way. Voting for a candidate, regardless of party, who supports abortion means voting for abortion.
Exactly-as has been pointed out numerwous times by numerous posters.
 
Actually, I raised the issue of torture to demonstrate what I see as flawed logic (see post above).
No, you didn’t – you raised it as a smokescreen. It’s the old “Johnny does it, too” argument that didn’t work on your mother.
I could have substituted any issue, even something as relatively unheated, like funding for insecit research. I did not have to use an issue involving human dignity, but chose that one because I think most of the posters here oppose torture. I do not believe that “waterboarding terrorists is morally equivalent to killing the unborn.” I made no such assertion.
Then why raise the issue?

To create a smokescreen, of course!
 
President Bush, in signing a bill which outlawed torture, including what is known as a “signing statement.” This states his interpretation of the law. In that signing statement, he said that outlawing torture would indeed be the law of the land, but that he could break this law if he found torture to be in the interest of “national security.” This is all part of public record and can be easily verified. The president, therefore, supports torture. By the logic of many posters here, anyone who voted for him thereby supports torture.
President Bush did not run on a policy of allowing torture and President Bush’s party does not call for torture in his platform. There is actually no comparison.
 
Did I say that I am voting for or support a pro-“choice” candidate? No. So stop your baseless, satanic accusations.
Well I’ll bet that comes as a surprise to everybody in this thread.’ So you will vote for Republicans and you won’t vote for anyone who supports abortion which I assume means basically you don’t vote ,. BTW -the way the only one who has mentioned Satan in this thread is you
I am in opposition to the lies and underlying evil of the core ideology of the Republican party. That does not automatically mean that I support the Democratic party? God forbid! I am in strong opposition to much of the Democratic platform as well. The difference is that there are many people pointing out the flaws in the Democratic party right here…some truthful (the pro-"choice stance, the support of immoral lifestyles, etc.) and some sheer lies (the accusation that Democrats are socialists). Very few will point out the truth about the evil that underlies the true core beliefs of Republicanism, namely, the worship and adoration of money and power above all else.
I disagree with your characterization of the Republican Party. But then that’s what politics is all about. Regardless of what one thinks about the Republican Party they do not have a party platform that calls for taxpayer-funded butchering of children, one simply cannot get around that
Therefore, I demand an apology.
For what? For stating the truth?
Again, your refusal to acknowledge the complicity of high-ranking REPUBLICAN operatives and pols in forced abortions overseas does little to help your credibility.
There we go with the forced abortion and slavery accusations. Of course they are not true but when put in a corner that canard is always pulled out. I assume your purpose of bringing this up is to try and change the subject as you are faring badly in this discussion.
 
No, it’s the other way. Voting for a candidate, regardless of party, who supports abortion means voting for abortion.
Ah, but that’s where the satanic lie comes in. I don’t vote for anyone who’s pro-“choice.” I just refuse to vote Republican, period. That means that I’ll either be an undervote or I’ll vote third party pro-life. Get it?
 
President Bush did not run on a policy of allowing torture and President Bush’s party does not call for torture in his platform. There is actually no comparison.
The 2008 Republican convention, where the planks to cover up the corporatist, anti-working person agenda are thrown on top to provide cover, hasn’t happened yet.
 
The 2008 Republican convention, where the planks to cover up the corporatist, anti-working person agenda are thrown on top to provide cover, hasn’t happened yet.
Your hatred of the republican party is noted. of course it has nothng to do with the morality of voting for pro-abortion canidates but if it makes you feel better have it.
 
Well I’ll bet that comes as a surprise to everybody in this thread.’ So you will vote for Republicans and you won’t vote for anyone who supports abortion which I assume means basically you don’t vote ,.
I said I will NOT vote for Republicans. I won’t vote for anyone who votes for abortion. So, that leaves me as either an undervote or voting pro-life third party.
BTW -the way the only one who has mentioned Satan in this thread is you
No, I called your lies satanic in nature.
I disagree with your characterization of the Republican Party. But then that’s what politics is all about.
You are, of course entitled to your own opinion. You are not, however, entitled to your own set of facts.
Regardless of what one thinks about the Republican Party they do not have a party platform that calls for taxpayer-funded butchering of children, one simply cannot get around that
That’s because they oppose taxpayer-funded ANYTHING. It’s not motivated by a pro-life sentiment or belief, it’s motivated by a deep hatred of anything done by the government and taxes. It flows from a belief that the worst possible evil is a tax.
For what? For stating the truth?
For calumny.
There we go with the forced abortion and slavery accusations. Of course they are not true but when put in a corner that canard is always pulled out. I assume your purpose of bringing this up is to try and change the subject as you are faring badly in this discussion.
Again, you are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own set of facts.
 
Interesting he refers to the evil in the Republican party 2008 platform-which of course is not yet in existence.
But he doesn’t let that little fact stop him.😛

We see this again and again – bugaboos of the imagination drive some people’s opinion, in defiance of all reality.
 
Interesting he refers to the evil in the Republican party 2008 platform-which of course is not yet in existence.
Do you actually expect the Republican party to change its corporatist, anti-working person ideology this year? I certainly don’t. In fact, I expect them to throw more and more snow over the putrefying dunghill to hide the stench.
 
Do you actually expect the Republican party to change its corporatist, anti-working person ideology this year? I certainly don’t. In fact, I expect them to throw more and more snow over the putrefying dunghill to hide the stench.
Ah, what an insightful argument, backed by extensive cites.😛

It must be difficult to enjoy life with that much hatred bottled up inside yourself.
 
Do you actually expect the Republican party to change its corporatist, anti-working person ideology this year? I certainly don’t. In fact, I expect them to throw more and more snow over the putrefying dunghill to hide the stench.
I thought we were talking about their party platform -not your personal unsubstatited opinion of what they stand for.
 
I thought we were talking about their party platform -not your personal unsubstatited opinion of what they stand for.
Um…not so much.

Does the 2004 Republican Party platform present a pro-corporate agenda? Absolutely it does. Do the actions of the Republican party over the past three years reflect a pro-corporate agenda? Absolutely it does.

Pro-corporate necessarily means anti-working person because a labor force with a strong voice is the greatest barrier to high corporate profits.

By the way, my browser has a spell checker built in. You might want to switch.
 
Ah, but that’s where the satanic lie comes in. I don’t vote for anyone who’s pro-“choice.” I just refuse to vote Republican, period. That means that I’ll either be an undervote or I’ll vote third party pro-life. Get it?
I get it. You won’t vote for any of the Dems or Repubs. I’m not aware of any prolife third party candidate yet, but it could happen. Failing that, you won’t vote. That’s not the worst idea I’ve seen on here.

Oh, and I’m not Satan.
 
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