Poll: Gift of praying in tongues

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I have the Interior Castle so I’m gonna look it up when I get home…

the only thought I have here is that …well she’s talking about 6TH MANSION

that’s a big deal!!

I’m probably at like mansion number 1 😛 or two if I’m lucky

but maybe this type of prayer is not exclusive to the 6th mansion, and she also said that it’s alright if you ‘jump’ from one to another and back again

just as long as you seek holiness 🙂

what I like about speaking in tongues, I think, is that in a way it’s so childlike… it’s trusting God without understanding… that’s cool 🙂
 
Monica4316 said:
maybe he’s also telling us to make sure our beliefs always stay Catholic and we don’t start believing any wrong doctrines
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Is there any kind of doctorine or official statement in the catechism, or anything that says anything about speaking ‘jibberish’?
 
Charlotte408 said:
sigh

she could very well also mean that her description of certain events may sound like jibberish…because shes rambling on about all this joy, etc etc…
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hmm… yes she could be meaning that too… 😦

but then there’s also the part: “and a strange prayer it doesn’t understand”

maybe I should learn Spanish just to read the original and find out 😃 lol j/k
 
Charlotte408 said:
sigh

she could very well also mean that her description of certain events may sound like jibberish…because shes rambling on about all this joy, etc etc…
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Charolette, I don’t think that can be the case because she is not talking about a kind of joy, but she is talking about a kind of prayer.

If she were talking only about a joy that God has given her, then she would not have mentioned that she is refering to a special prayer to God. Consolations are not the same as a special kind of prayer.

And even more so, she wishes that everyone might seek this. And we know that St. Teresa says not to seek for consolations. But to seek a special way of praying to God, she says go for it!!!
 
Flame_of_Christ said:
We just can’t approach this like protestants guys. They do not submit to the guidance of the Church. They use reason, scripture and whatever else they want to not agree with the Catholic Church.

I challenge anyone to aks themseles, after reading the statements by our Popes and Bishops: Who in this thread is speaking with the church and who is speaking against the church in regards to supporting us in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal?

you may have many reasons to not agree, but the fact is “you do not agree!”
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When JP II prayed for a new Springtime in the Church, what do you think he had in mind? And what will people in the Church do when that Springtime shows up? Head for the door? Change is hard for people. I think the Charismatic movement exposed a lot of sluggishness in the Church. There’s a lot more to come. And the Holy Spirit knows what He’s doing. Jesus knows what he is doing. That’s why we pray: “Maranatha, Maranatha.”

In the book, “Raised From The Dead” about miracles in the Church, there is noted in the different lives of the Saints who has spoken in tongues. Sorry that I don’t have the book available at my work station to reference it or I would give it a shot, but I also don’t find the accusations demanding it a right. Look it up yourselves if you are that “hungry” to know. Spoon feeding is for children. We try to share from a trusting level. But snapping for information is a little much. We know you can find it if you want to.

“Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.”

Lighten up all.
 
From The Interior Castle, mansion 6
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"In the midst of these experiences that are both painful and delightful together, our Lord sometimes gives the soul feelings of jubilation and a strange prayer it doesn’t understand. What I’m saying seems like gibberish, but certainly the experience takes place in this way,
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one thing -

if she’s talking about the joy, why does she say “but certainly the experience takes place in this way” as if it makes no sense that she would feel this joy during prayer?

but I have no idea

just a thought 🙂
 
BOO yah looky what I found:

Here are the rules St. Paul set down rules for speaking in tongues:

If anyone speaks in a tongue, let it be two OR AT MOST three, AND EACH IN TURN, and ONE SHOULD INTERPRET. But if there is no interpreter, THE PERSON SHOULD KEEP SILENT in the church and speak to himself and to God. (1 Corinthians 14:27-28) and If anyone thinks that he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he should recognize that what I am writing to you is a commandment of the Lord. If anyone does not acknowledge this, he is not acknowledged. So, my brothers, strive eagerly to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues, but everything must be done PROPERLY AND IN ORDER.(1 Corinthians 14:37-40)
 
Charlotte408 said:
BOO yah looky what I found:

Here are the rules St. Paul set down rules for speaking in tongues:

If anyone speaks in a tongue, let it be two OR AT MOST three, AND EACH IN TURN, and ONE SHOULD INTERPRET. But if there is no interpreter, THE PERSON SHOULD KEEP SILENT in the church and speak to himself and to God. (1 Corinthians 14:27-28) and If anyone thinks that he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he should recognize that what I am writing to you is a commandment of the Lord. If anyone does not acknowledge this, he is not acknowledged. So, my brothers, strive eagerly to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues, but everything must be done PROPERLY AND IN ORDER.(1 Corinthians 14:37-40)
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this has been touched on a bit in this thread earlier but I will just mention that there are other parts where St. Paul speaks about tongues. You are correct in that we cannot just be speaking in tongues without interpretations at our meetings. This is because speaking in tongues is like the gift of prophecy, which must be understood. However, St. Paul also speaks about a kind of praying in tongues that is personal, a speaking to God that no one understands (it is not interpreted). with that said, should we charismatic pray in tongues (as opposed to speak in tongues) at our meetings? The answer is in the guidance that our church has given us in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal: yes, we can pray aloud to God and no one need interpret it, because that kind of prayer has no interpretation. Remember, we are not a scripture alone church. We are guided.

see 1 Cor 14:2

God bless you!
 
Charlotte408 said:
BOO yah looky what I found:

Here are the rules St. Paul set down rules for speaking in tongues:

If anyone speaks in a tongue, let it be two OR AT MOST three, AND EACH IN TURN, and ONE SHOULD INTERPRET. But if there is no interpreter, THE PERSON SHOULD KEEP SILENT in the church and speak to himself and to God. (1 Corinthians 14:27-28) and If anyone thinks that he is a prophet or a spiritual person, he should recognize that what I am writing to you is a commandment of the Lord. If anyone does not acknowledge this, he is not acknowledged. So, my brothers, strive eagerly to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues, but everything must be done PROPERLY AND IN ORDER.(1 Corinthians 14:37-40)
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properly and in order is good 🙂 I once saw a video of a charismatic service that was VERY chaotic… and it made me really uncomfortable. But the healing Mass I went to was very orderly and people did only speak one at a time, and for parts of it there was an interpreter!

there’s also a part in Corinthians I believe where St Paul says that when people speak in tongues, no one can understand them because they’re speaking mysteries to God… or something like this… so people take that to mean that it’s alright to use it as a prayer language too. The rules he gave above are for using it in church, with others present. But if it’s just you, of course that doesn’t apply. (speaking one at a time, etc)
kooldood said:
I’m sorry, but… what is the gift of tongues?
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It’s speaking in unknown languages…it’s a gift of the Holy Spirit

some people think it’s speaking in other earthly languages, others think in addition to that the Holy Spirit gives words that are unknown to anyone (this is what ppl are calling “gibberish”), it’s like a prayer language that only He understands

and as you can see, there’s some debate 🙂

God bless
 
Flame_of_Christ said:
this has been touched on a bit in this thread earlier but I will just mention that there are other parts where St. Paul speaks about tongues. You are correct in that we cannot just be speaking in tongues without interpretations at our meetings. This is because speaking in tongues is like the gift of prophecy, which must be understood. However, St. Paul also speaks about a kind of praying in tongues that is personal, a speaking to God that no one understands (it is not interpreted). with that said, should we charismatic pray in tongues (as opposed to speak in tongues) at our meetings? The answer is in the guidance that our church has given us in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal: yes, we can pray aloud to God and no one need interpret it, because that kind of prayer has no interpretation. Remember, we are not a scripture alone church. We are guided.

see 1 Cor 14:2

God bless you!
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yay I just said this too 🙂
 
You have to experience it. Why is that so hard for everyone?
Being immersed in the Holy Spirit comes first.

Interesting group of folks here.
 
sauce said:
You have to experience it. Why is that so hard for everyone?
Being immersed in the Holy Spirit comes first.

Interesting group of folks here.
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it’s hard (for me) cause I want to first know that it’s from God, so I won’t open myself up to anything dangerous 😦

but the problem is I don’t know how to tell

so I’m stuck

lol…
 
kooldood said:
I’m sorry, but… what is the gift of tongues?
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*“I should like all of you to have the gift of tongues” * 1 Cor 14:5

St. Paul says “*Surely I should pray not only with the Spirit but with the mind as well. I will sing praises with the Spirit and with the mind as well.” * 1 Cor 14:15

We are praising God with the Holy Spirit when we pray in tongues and we are also uttering mysteries in the Spirit which no one can understand.

“*Anyone who prays in tongues speaks not to men but to God, for no one understands him, he utters mysteries in the Spirit.” * 1 Cor 14:2

peace be with you!
 
Flame_of_Christ said:
okay I have saving this for a time such as this, lol. 🙂

So if you don’t accept that the church supports us in how we pray (even though that should be enough for you), what about this expereince of St. Teresa of Avila and her admonition about it afterwards?

notice anything similar about this and tongues? especially where she says it seems like gibberish…
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Sorry. What you have is a bad translation. Probably a charismatic.

Here’s a good translation:
books.google.com/books?id=s6JdAAAAMAAJ&dq=interior%20castle%20teresa&as_brr=1&pg=PA134#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The passage in question:

Among these sweet yet painful favors, our Lord also gives sometimes certain transports*, and a strange kind of prayer which she does not understand. But I mention it here, in order that you might praise Him exceedingly (should He be pleased to grant you this favour), and that you may know it is something which really happens. It is, in my opinion, a close union of the powers, though our Lord here leaves them with their liberty, in order that they may possess this joy; and the same also happens to the senses, without their knowing what they enjoy, nor how they enjoy it. This may seem something very odd and strange, but the thing certainly happens.

Transports is footnoted with the following phrase:
unos jubilos y oracion estrana

This means:a joyous and strange prayer

Sorry. She’s talking about something other than tongues.

You’re still bargaining.
 
when she says “a joyous and strange prayer”… .does she mean a prayer, or what is typically meant under the word “transport” ie: ecstasy

St Teresa is wonderful but so above me and I don’t understand a lot of what she writes 😦
 
Monica4316 said:
when she says “a joyous and strange prayer”… .does she mean a prayer, or what is typically meant under the word “transport” ie: ecstasy

St Teresa is wonderful but so above me and I don’t understand a lot of what she writes 😦
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It’s explained later in the chapter… When she says a joyous and strange prayer… she’s talking about a new experience of prayer. Read: ecstasy
 
Monica4316 said:
it’s hard (for me) cause I want to first know that it’s from God, so I won’t open myself up to anything dangerous 😦

but the problem is I don’t know how to tell

so I’m stuck

lol…
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Monica, you are great. I love it. All I can figure is that you are where you should be.
It’s a process. When you are ready, the teacher will appear. Like I said though, the immersion in the Holy Spirit comes first. That “infilling” is real and “good.” Seek the Giver not the gift. And if you never pray in tongues, it won’t matter. God wants “you” first and foremost. He wants us.

Ask, Seek…Knock! I wish I were there to help you.
 
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