Poll: Most Miami-Dade Catholics oppose celibacy vow

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The problem isn’t celibacy, it’s an individual priest who cannot control himself.

If he were married and had an affair, then the same logic says that marriage should be abolished???

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AMEN! This man cannot keep his vow of chastity…what makes people think he would keep a vow of marriage?

The bottom line is that people are very silly. They think that sacred vows are no longer binding if you have a “change of heart.” :rolleyes: This society no longer understands what it means to keep a promise before God, whether that be a vow of marriage or a vow of celibacy. I have no respect for anyone who unrepentantly breaks sacred vows.
 
54% of self professed Catholics voted for Barack Obama. Seeing that as a poll of sorts, apparently we have to change the Church’s position on abortion as well.
 
As then-Cardinal Ratzinger pointed out, Anglicans have married, women, and homosexual clergy–and still have strife and scandal within their congregations, so clearly the problem isn’t with celibacy, women priests, or homosexuality.
 
Well in fairness celibacy is one of the things that can be changed correct?

So no need to get upset and call people that disagree with it false Catholics. I mean come on only the Latin Rite does it.
 
Well in fairness celibacy is one of the things that can be changed correct?

So no need to get upset and call people that disagree with it false Catholics. I mean come on only the Latin Rite does it.
Well, that isn’t wholly correct. As has already been explained, in other Rites (not all of them) a married man can become a priest, but a priest may not marry. Therefore, there are plenty of celibate priests in those Rites, as well - ditto for the Orthodox. Certainly, all of the Bishops are celibate.
 
AMEN! This man cannot keep his vow of chastity…what makes people think he would keep a vow of marriage?

The bottom line is that people are very silly. They think that sacred vows are no longer binding if you have a “change of heart.” :rolleyes: This society no longer understands what it means to keep a promise before God, whether that be a vow of marriage or a vow of celibacy. I have no respect for anyone who unrepentantly breaks sacred vows.
Vow ??

They are clueless of the term itself.
 
Father Albert is a secular priest. He never made a vow of chastity. Secular priests do not make such a vow. That’s why they are called secular. Otherwise, they would be religious men and they are not. Religious make vows of chastity, not secular priests. Secular priests make a simple promise of celibacy, which is very different from a vow of chastity made by a religious brother or a cloistered nun. They are the only ones in the Church who make solemn vows of chastity.

As to the marriage vows, they are also solemn vows, not promises. However, they are different vows. We cannot equate the promise of celibacy with the vows of marriage. The essence, the matter and the substance are theologically and ontologically different.

The promise of celibacy does not cause an ontological change in the person. It can be dispensed with by the Church. What causes an ontological change in a man is the Sacrament of Holy Orders: deacon, priest and bishop. The Church can dispense the promise of celibacy, but it cannot undo the ordination.

The vows of marriage cannot be dispensed by the Church. They are binding until death and there is nothing that the Church can do to change that.

That being said, it is possible that a man can receive the graces necessary for marriage. The Church believes this. Thus she occasionally grants men dispensation from celibacy to get married. However, there is a trade-off. The man must give up the ministry. He does not give up being a priest. He will be a priest until the day that he dies. There is no such thing in the Catholic or Orthodox Churches as an ex-priest. There are dispensed priests. These often go on to become very good husbands and fathers.

The issue at hand is that the Holy Father is not granting dispensations to religious brothers in solemn vows, nuns in solemn vows or secular deacons, priests and bishops who are celibate. This does not mean that the Holy Father cannot grant such a dispensation and allow such a person to marry. But at the moment, he is not doing so. He prefers to see these men become reconciled with the Church and with God and return to the ministry.

Thus he gives bishops the freedom to offer them various other options in the hope that they can return.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
AMEN! This man cannot keep his vow of chastity…what makes people think he would keep a vow of marriage?

The bottom line is that people are very silly. They think that sacred vows are no longer binding if you have a “change of heart.” :rolleyes: This society no longer understands what it means to keep a promise before God, whether that be a vow of marriage or a vow of celibacy. I have no respect for anyone who unrepentantly breaks sacred vows.
 
I’m glad the Church is not governed by polls, though I find polls useful. For example, 90 % of American Catholics—in a poll cited by now-Archbishop Dolan in his book “Priests for the Third Millenium”—rate the homilies they hear in their parishes as poor. As a convert from the Southern Baptist tradition, my ressponse is that it’s amazing that 10 % of Catholics are okay with the preaching they hear! Dolan thought that the inability to preach should be considered an impediment to orders, though he knows the Church is not about to adopt that policy.

As for the percentage of people in Miami who think that priests should be allowed to marry, it’s important for priests there to know this figure because it tells them how much work they have to do in this area of catechesis. Granted, priests would be more immediately concerned with the views of Catholics who still attend Mass—as those are the only ones priests can preach to—but I think it’s safe to assume that many mass-goers share the view distorted view that, at bottom, ‘a life without sex cannot be fulfilling,’ and this despite the virginity of Jesus and Mary!

Again, polls should not drive Church teaching, but the Church’s teachers need to know which errors abound in the minds of their charges.
 
Well, that isn’t wholly correct. As has already been explained, in other Rites (not all of them) a married man can become a priest, but a priest may not marry. Therefore, there are plenty of celibate priests in those Rites, as well - ditto for the Orthodox. Certainly, all of the Bishops are celibate.
I admit I’ll never understand why people just wont get married, switch rites THEN get ordained if they feel called to both marriage and priesthood. If enough did it the DISCIPLINE for the Latin Rite might be changed to allowed married men to be priest.
 
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