Poll Regarding TLM Implementation

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Greetings all,

I am looking for opinions here.

Is it possible, or even conceivable, that the Mass of Paul VI could be completely replaced by the TLM?

Is that what most traditionalists are hoping for? Would it be desirable, could it be dangerous for the church?

The selections on the poll may seem a little crazy, but I am only interested in stimulating conversation on the subject. What would be the ideal, and what are the possible drawbacks…would people rebel if they lost the Pauline Mass? Would it possibly damage the conversion rate?

Could the rank and file pewpersons be taught to worship the TLM?

Inquiring minds want to know! 😃

Michael
 
I don’t think it’s very realictic to believe TLM will replace the NOM
Having said that I also believe it was a huge mistake to iliminate 500 years of are own history.
I Believe TLM should be a part of the liturical year.
If may be said weekly or monthly
I had an idea of at least an annual mass of our fathers liturgy.
This could be part of the sacrament of confirmation
.with the class providing information to those who attended
that way the tradition will always be preserved
 
Please remember not to compare the TLM with the NOM, everyone.
 
Permit any priest to schedule the TLM at his own discretion.

This allows it to be celebrated all the time, or maybe just some of the time, depending on the culture and the people of the parish. Works for me! 👍
 
I put for one on every parish. The sad part is most priests would be at a total loss on where to even start.😦
 
Hi Michael,

I voted “*Permit any priest to schedule the TLM at his own discretion.” *I think that a universal indult is needed, and that Latin, chant, etc. should be encouraged for the Paul VI Mass, as has already been done recently in *Sacramentum Caritatus. *In addition, the Church needs to crack down on liturgical abuse.

Pax,

Robert
 
Mandate a minimum of one TLM per week in every deanery. I didn’t choose this selection in the poll, because one per diocese also seemed an option- that is too far away for many people.
 
I put one per parish, but I would be satisfied with something along the lines of, say, at least one TLM per week, on a Sunday or Saturday evening, in at least 25% of the parishes in a diocese (or whatever percentage ensures that everyone within the diocese is within a reasonable commute of a TLM).

I’m also in favor of promoting more Latin and Gregorian chant in the Novus Ordo. I personally believe that at least the consecration should be required to be said in Latin to prevent any liberties.
 
rlg94086 said:
Hi Michael,

I voted “*Permit any priest to schedule the TLM at his own discretion.” *I think that a universal indult is needed, and that Latin, chant, etc. should be encouraged for the Paul VI Mass, as has already been done recently in *Sacramentum Caritatus. *In addition, the Church needs to crack down on liturgical abuse.

Pax,

Robert
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I agree with Robert!

Kathleen
 
I voted for it to be at a priest’s descretion. I think that need/call for the TLM would probably be on a parish by parish basis. I figure the priest would have a good feel for what his parish needs.
 
I have been thinking that a more widespread implementation of the TLM will help build the necessary “skillset” (if one could call it that) for restoring the music. Music directors and liturgists will have to cope with the demands of the TLM as well as the NOM. Many will be happy to finally work with this material.

More than anything else I think that monophonic ‘Gregorian’ chant lifts a Mass with solemn dignity, without actually costing a lot of money or traumatizing anyone. Frankly, with little effort anyone can learn it (as opposed to polyphonic compositions which will require serious training of dedicated choirs). It is easy to see how entire congregations could sing just by following a good cantor.

Monophonic chant was supposed to have pride of place in the Mass as declared by the fathers of Vatican II, so I am very surprised that it was jettisoned so quickly during the NOM introduction phase.

If the TLM is opened up to more communities, the music accompaniment to it will have some influence across the church, and everyone will benefit by that. 🙂

Michael
 
rlg94086 said:
Hi Michael,

I voted “*Permit any priest to schedule the TLM at his own discretion.” *I think that a universal indult is needed, and that Latin, chant, etc. should be encouraged for the Paul VI Mass, as has already been done recently in *Sacramentum Caritatus. *
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Question:

Can the TLM be properly served with the vestments most parishes or priests already have in stock? Or will there be a necessary initial outlay for new duds?

Michael
 
Hesychios said:
I have been thinking that a more widespread implementation of the TLM will help build the necessary “skillset” (if one could call it that) for restoring the music. Music directors and liturgists will have to cope with the demands of the TLM as well as the NOM. Many will be happy to finally work with this material.

More than anything else I think that monophonic ‘Gregorian’ chant lifts a Mass with solemn dignity, without actually costing a lot of money or traumatizing anyone. Frankly, with little effort anyone can learn it (as opposed to polyphonic compositions which will require serious training of dedicated choirs). It is easy to see how entire congregations could sing just by following a good cantor.

Monophonic chant was supposed to have pride of place in the Mass as declared by the fathers of Vatican II, so I am very surprised that it was jettisoned so quickly during the NOM introduction phase.

If the TLM is opened up to more communities, the music accompaniment to it will have some influence across the church, and everyone will benefit by that. 🙂

Michael
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I agree actually. I attend a Pauline Mass and I love it but I do think its bad that we have priests who don’t know how to do a TLM. The tragedy of that I think is not only in possibility of losing a skill set in a time honered rite of our Church (not to mention one that is still valid) but also in that it seems to have had a secondary affect of having entire parishes who can’t do Gegorian Chant. Finally as members of the Latin Rite I think it would be tragic if we lost our comfortability with Latin in general. As Latin Rite Catholics we should try hold on to that heritage. Latin is the native toungue of our spiritual ancestors. We’re the last living piece of the glory that was Rome. At least that is my opinion.

If the TLM had a broadening of influence I think some of those rusty skills that many Catholics have let go will get a brush up that will improve many aspects of our Church.
 
Hesychios said:
Question:

Can the TLM be properly served with the vestments most parishes or priests already have in stock? Or will there be a necessary initial outlay for new duds?

Michael
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I don’t know—but if need be----I would gladly contribute for new vestments.
 
As a recent returnee to the Church (back almost 11 months) I am also a new choir member. I am so very happy when we get to sing in Latin! I also like the English and Spanish and American spirituals. But there’s something so special about the Latin that welcomes me home.
In regards to this poll, I think it would be good to hear more Latin.
🙂
 
Hesychios said:
Question:

Can the TLM be properly served with the vestments most parishes or priests already have in stock? Or will there be a necessary initial outlay for new duds?

Michael
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Well, I am certainly not an expert on that subject and don’t attend a TLM Mass, but I would say new stock would probably be required and/or old ones cleaned and put back into use.

I can only base this on the vestments my own pastor has started to wear, which are more in line with the TLM.
 
Walking_Home said:
I don’t know—but if need be----I would gladly contribute for new vestments.
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Attendance and giving has increased over the last few years at our parish, as our priest has introduced more and more Latin and orthodoxy. We meet or exceed our budget requirements (+2.3%, ~$14.5k for the year), and that more than pays for any vestment requirements.
 
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