Polluting the environment is now as sinful as abortion and pedaphilia?

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What?! The Vatican has said that “polluting the environment” is in the same league of sins as abortion and pedaphilia. I’d like them to expand on this please.

So I’m assuming that now:
Throwing a paper wrapper out the car window as sinful as abortion?
Working in a coal mine as sinful as pedaphilia?
Working for any company who lets emissions in the air a sin?
Driving an SUV a sin?

Someone please explain this to me.
 
lynx said:
Gotta have some priorities right? I can’t believe smoking pot and drinking alcohol is a mortal sin.

All you homebrewers beware!
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I smoke cigarettes but not to many only a few. I have seen catholic priest smoke and drink in the drinking lounge of the Church.

I can say Smoking to many cigarettes is pollution and bad for you health>Sin. What would that be a venial sin.

How can it be as bad as pedophilia. Are they trying to say pedophilia is not that bad because of the recent scandal:rolleyes:
 
Where is the link to what the Pope (or Vatican, or whomever) really said?

I checked Zenit and the Catholic New Agency and found nothing on the topic.

Most of the links from secular media provided were from 2008.
The Pope would never deviate from the CCC 2nd Ed, or say the things as they were printed.

We need proof.
Its easy to alter things on the internet for better than average hackers.
 
I addressed this on “Catholicism and climate change” thread when it was attempted to be used to support an environmental debate.

Frankly, it is not true.

The “interview” can be read here.

blog.acton.org/uploads/penitentiary_interview.pdf

Newsbusters
Lying About ‘Sin?’ Media Botch Another Vatican Story
A supposed list of “new sins” from the Vatican, such as pollution and genetic manipulation, made headlines across the world on Monday. The list actually didn’t come from any official Catholic Church document, but from an interview of a bishop that was published in L’Osservatore Romano, the “semi-official” newspaper in Vatican City, and it exposed the mainstream media’s fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity in general, and the Catholic Church specifically.
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L’Osservatore Romano printed the interview of Gianfranco Girotti, a bishop who is a member of the Vatican’s Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Penitentiary, in its March 9 edition. In it, Girotti discussed “new forms of social sin,” and gave examples such genetic manipulation and drug trafficking. Girotti, who is the number-two official at the Tribunal, is in the mid-level of the Vatican’s bureaucracy, and wouldn’t make any official decisions on behalf of the Catholic Church…
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newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/03/11/media-falsely-portrays-bishop-s-opinion-interview-new-sins
Littering Not New “Deadly Sin,” Bishops Clarify
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Say Vatican Didn’t Publish List of 7 Modern Misdeeds
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LONDON, MARCH 11, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Reports that the Vatican has published a new list of the seven deadly sins of modern times that includes littering and economic inequality is simply not true, affirmed the episcopal conference of England and Wales.
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The conference released a statement today clarifying that an interview published Sunday by L’Osservatore Romano with Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, regent of the tribunal of he Apostolic Penitentiary, was misinterpreted in the media as an official Vatican update to the seven deadly sins, laid out by Pope Gregory the Great in the sixth century.
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“The Vatican has not published a new list of seven deadly sins; this is not a new Vatican edict,” said the conference. “The story originated from an interview that Bishop Gianfranco Girotti gave to the L’Osservatore Romano in which he was questioned about new forms of social sins in this age of globalization.”
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zenit.org/article-22029?l=english
Not “new sins” but an old media blind spot
March 11, 2008
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When he finished his interview with L’Osservatore Romano, Archishop Gianfranco Girotti probably thought that his main message had been an appeal to Catholics to use the sacrament of Confession. Little did he know that the English-language news media would play the interview as a newly revised list of sins.
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Archbishop Girotti, the regent of the Apostolic Penitentiary, spoke to the Vatican newspaper about “new forms of social sin” in our era. He mentioned such transgressions as destructive research on human embryos, degradation of the environment, and drug trafficking. Within hours, dozens of media sources were suggesting that the Vatican had radically revised the Ten Commandments, issuing a list of “new sins.”
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As usual, a British newspaper leapt to the forefront with the most sensational and misleading coverage. The Daily Telegraph made the preposterous claim that Archbishop Girotti’s list replaced the traditional Catholic understanding of the seven deadly sins:
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catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=57130

In short, the media failed, mislead, misconstrued…falsified:(.
 
kimmielittle
Thanks for that.

coco2
This rubbish is 2 years old. Your husband should rest easily – the “global warming”, for instance has become “climate change” because of no global warming, and because too many have been “bulled by a Gore”.

We all need to be prudent, thrifty and temperate.
 
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kimmielittle
Thanks for that.

coco2
This rubbish is 2 years old. Your husband should rest easily – the “global warming”, for instance has become “climate change” because of no global warming, and because too many have been “bulled by a Gore”.

We all need to be prudent, thrifty and temperate.
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You are very welcome 🙂
 
Oh my gosh, well, I’ll tell you why I lost my mind a bit after reading this. We live in “coal country”. Last year, during Mass a priest from the pulpit said the coal mining was a sin. There was a huge uproar about it, then the next week he said that the actual coal miners weren’t sinning but those who work for the company ( other than the union guys) were sinning. Another uproar ensued. This priest was quickly moved to another parish somewhere else. When I saw this article, I thought that perhaps he was just reiterating what he has been told from the Vatican. I am still wondering about it though, because the Bishop then put up a pamphlet called “On This Holy Mountain” and it was about basically the evils of coal mining, particularly mountain-top removal, safety problems, and basically how unjust the coal companies can be to their workers.

I read it and shook my head. Coal miners are paid very well for dangerous work. You cannot be 100% safe in any job and when you choose to go underground, there is always a risk. Considering the danger involved, the number of deaths is still very low every year. It is more dangerous to drive your car to work than to go underground. The number of people killed on the highways is astounding.

Why do high ranking Catholics like this guy, make comments like these to the media if they haven’t been discussed at some level?
 
coco2 said:
What?! The Vatican has said that “polluting the environment” is in the same league of sins as abortion and pedaphilia. I’d like them to expand on this please.

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source please
faux news
new pork times
bsnbc
and other secular news outlets are not valid sources for Vatican statements
please find something from the Vatican news service or the Vatican website itself
 
puzzleannie said:
source please
faux news
new pork times
bsnbc
and other secular news outlets are not valid sources for Vatican statements
please find something from the Vatican news service or the Vatican website itself
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BSNBC? I like that! This has already been pointed out to me, thanks! However, the same thing was stated from the pulpit where I live. ( It was not stated whether it was a mortal or venial sin, just sin in general)
 
coco2 said:
However, the same thing was stated from the pulpit where I live. ( It was not stated whether it was a mortal or venial sin, just sin in general)
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The media did not accurately report what the Bishop said, or its context. That does not equate to the Bishop having nothing important to say. Indeed, he does.

We do need to be attuned to the many things in modern society that create injustice, harm others, etc. Nothing the Bishop said contradicts Church teaching, and all of it can be found in other various Church documents including the Catechism. It’s not necessarily that these sins are “new” but they take on a new character in our modern society, or technology pushes them to new levels.

The Bishop, in this particular interview, was highlighting things in our time that are gravely wrong. We need to take heed of what our bihsops are telling us.
 
I can’t help but notice that some in this thread seem more preoccupied with questioning Church teachings (that poses a personally inconvenience) than contemplating the Will of God.

There are many, many workers who risk their lives to provide goods and services to society, and their sacrifices should not be underestimated. But are they doing God’s work? That’s what matters in the end.
 
bearer said:
I can’t help but notice that some in this thread seem more preoccupied with questioning Church teachings (that poses a personally inconvenience) than contemplating the Will of God.

There are many, many workers who risk their lives to provide goods and services to society, and their sacrifices should not be underestimated. But are they doing God’s work? That’s what matters in the end.
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Ok, let’s say coal miners aren’t doing God’s work. How far do we take this? Depending on where you live and how you get energy, do you use electricity? If you turn on the lights in your home you are supporting those “not doing God’s work” . Do you get your energy from nuclear plants? Oh boy, we have seen what harm those can do to thousands of innocent people at a given moment. Natural gas? Uh oh, not so good either. Should we start living like the Amish with no electricity?

What about our cars? Cars, trucks, planes, boats, trains ALL cause pollution. Is it a sin to drive a car around now? Where are the lines drawn, if they can determine that.

So it is a sin if you work for the coal company in management, not a sin if you work for the company as a Union worker. Not a sin if you turn on your lights and use up the resources? Give me a break, this sounds like hypocrisy to me.
 
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