Pollution in our Sunday Bulletin

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Eucharist; Understanding Christs body is an article put into our Sunday bulletin. My wife will usually read through the bulletin while I’m driving home from Mass. Well she read this article and it made me furrious that our priest would allow this to pollute the people of his parish. I feel that I should talk to him about it but mabe I’m just over reacting. Please click on the link above and read the article and let me know what you think.
 
Who wrote this? “William H. Shannon, a priest of the Diocese of Rochester, is a free-lance writer.” From what I’ve heard about this diocese, I am not surprised. But I am becoming increasingly troubled by the quality of parochial “leadership.”
In the Middle Ages—roughly between 800 and 1000—something happened to the Eucharist. It became something quite different from what it had been in the beginning. From being the action of people, it became an act of God coming down among God’s people to be adored.
So I guess that until the time of Charlemagne, Christ’s words “this is my body… this is my blood,” didn’t really mean what they appear to mean.

One has to wonder… would this priest have been one of those disciples who “walked away” in John 6?
 
The article seems to me to be really too long and convoluted for a weekly parish bulletin. But it was not as bad as I might have anticipated. I was prepared to disagree with the second and third sentences of this:

Jesus calls us to eat his flesh and drink his blood. We must avoid an overly literalistic understanding of these words. We do not literally eat flesh or drink blood. Jesus’ command to eat his body and drink his blood can only make sense if we understand the words body and blood as designating the whole person, the real glorified Jesus as he exists today.
But then the rest of the paragraph somewhat repairs the damage. We *do * receive the whole person of Jesus in the Eucharist, not just a piece of his body or blood. And of course, the whole person does include his body and blood.

It also seemed to me that he created an unnecessary conflict between Jesus as personally present to the community and an isolated Jesus for adoration purposes. There is no conflict. Both communion and adoration are valid.
 
richiejm3 said:
Eucharist; Understanding Christs body is an article put into our Sunday bulletin. My wife will usually read through the bulletin while I’m driving home from Mass. Well she read this article and it made me furrious that our priest would allow this to pollute the people of his parish. I feel that I should talk to him about it but mabe I’m just over reacting. Please click on the link above and read the article and let me know what you think.

Perhaps it would be easier if you were to explain, or at least state, what item/issue or specifics upset you. The article is not any longer than any of the other articles which appear in Catholic Update, and packs a lot of information into a short space. While there are some words here and there that might have been editied to say things a bit differently, historically it seems to be reasonably accurate.

Is there something either from a historical perspective or a theological perspective that upsets you?
 
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otm:
Perhaps it would be easier if you were to explain, or at least state, what item/issue or specifics upset you. The article is not any longer than any of the other articles which appear in Catholic Update, and packs a lot of information into a short space. While there are some words here and there that might have been editied to say things a bit differently, historically it seems to be reasonably accurate.

Is there something either from a historical perspective or a theological perspective that upsets you?
I have to agree with you. Maybe if the OP did point out where he has a problem with this, then maybe we could have another look.
 
Hello Richie,
We get these Catholic Updates also. I always try to read them to see how close they are to orthodox. In my experience, they range from pretty good to barely on the edge of acceptable. About half the time they are infuriatingly liberal. I remember one which was a wonderful apology for Islam; just what I need after attending Mass 👍 . I have not read this one, but a recent one on the presence of Christ in the Eucharist surprised me with its orthodoxy.

In my experience, the quality is completely determined by the writer. I wish they had a more faithful editorial process.
In Christ, Mulus
 
Article = rubbish.

Another sickening attempt by “progressivists” to discredit the Old Church. Pay it no mind, fight it at the gates.
 
Thank you for the article, it was not only theologically sound but historically accurate and an enjoyable read.

To call it pollution would indicate a failure to understand it. Not only is it not “liberal” or “progressive” but it is fairly non-confrontational or polemic.

Adam
 
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otm:
Is there something either from a historical perspective or a theological perspective that upsets you?
Yes, here is clearly wrong
The Mass had drifted from a human experience of community in Christ, which called for people’s participation, to a divine reality that called for a priest to act in the name of Christ to bring him down from heaven. The priest became the only one to be acting in the eucharistic celebration.
The author clearly associates ‘participation’ with verbal or other physical action to the expense of particpation of will.

The Medival and Tridentine liturgies clearly had full particpation of all the faithful, but not in the limited way the author considers to be primary.
 
Servus Pio XII:
Article = rubbish.

Another sickening attempt by “progressivists” to discredit the Old Church. Pay it no mind, fight it at the gates.
Since you seem to think it is rubbish, what part of it do you not agree with?
 
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Yes, here is clearly wrong

The author clearly associates ‘participation’ with verbal or other physical action to the expense of particpation of will.

The Medival and Tridentine liturgies clearly had full particpation of all the faithful, but not in the limited way the author considers to be primary.
Considering that several Popes and the vast majority of the bishops of the world wanted to see more active participation in the liturgy, and by that they were not defining participation as an act of the will, I am at a loss to see how this is a false or misleading statement.

Further, I do not understand how verbal or other physical action is taken at any expense of the will. Please explain.
 
I read some of the article. The article seems to paint a picture that we may “fear” Communion too much or are too timid about Communion instead of viewing it as a community sharing. I really don’t think that is a problem. Is it possible to revere Holy Communion too much? I think not.

As far as the communal aspect, I think the Spirit of Jesus is the foundation of our Communion. Focusing on Jesus during Communion seems perfectly appropriate. We can share this fellowship in a social environment after mass, at a gathering for coffee for example.

I will say that we Catholics in the world today may have lost some aspects of living communally. However, I don’t think it is right to relate this to reverence for Jesus during Communion if that’s what the author is doing.
 
I had to somewhat smile at this “participation” business. When the liturgical renewal movement in the late 1950’s talked about ‘greater participation,’ they meant that people should be following along in the missal instead of saying the rosary!
 
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The Mass had drifted from a human experience of community in Christ, which called for people’s participation, to a divine reality that called for a priest to act in the name of Christ to bring him down from heaven. The priest became the only one to be acting in the eucharistic celebration. Quote
Seemed like a fairly well done article but it suffers from some lack of clarity rather than error. The quotation above IMO suffers from insufficent explanation. There was a time in Church History where priests celebrated Mass completely alone. This was a change from the celebration of the Mass in communal gatherings of believers. Also there was a definite change between about 800 and 1000 when people perceived adoration of the Eucharist as more important than receiving. Things eventually got to the point where it became necessary to have a Church rule that one had to receive at least once a year during the Easter time. A Church commandment that I think is still in force today.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I haven’t been able to get this article off my mind and I’ve tried to read it with less aggressiveness, but this is the conclusion I’ve come to so far. The article draws the reader away from the fact that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist as the ccc states 1376 The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: “Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation.” First the author makes it seem like the Church has changed its veiws many times on the Eucharist when he writes things like “there have been many changes in the way our Church has understood the Eucharist.” and " In the Middle Ages—roughly between 800 and 1000—something happened to the Eucharist. It became something quite different from what it had been in the beginning. From being the action of people, it became an act of God coming down among God’s people to be adored." Then he makes you think that mabe the church wasn’t always firm on it’s belief of transubstantiation by saying “For the first seven or eight centuries of the Church’s life, the Eucharist had been the people’s Eucharist. The Eucharist was people gathering in community (often in house-churches) to express their praise and thanks to God.” and " Christians, gathered together for Eucharist, were conscious all the while that the risen Jesus was in their midst as they did so. They never even bothered to ask when Christ became present. It was enough to know that he was with them. and then finaly he says " Jesus calls us to eat his flesh and drink his blood. We must avoid an overly literalistic understanding of these words. We do not literally eat flesh or drink blood.".

The author also says " All too often our understanding gets reversed. We think of the Eucharist as a kind of reservoir we come to and get the grace that will carry us through the week. Yet we need to look at the reality of God’s grace quite differently. The grace of God acts in the world, among people." and “We gather together in worship, not to “refuel” lives devoid of grace, but because we need to celebrate all the grace-filled moments of our lives” But the ccc says What material food produces in our bodily life, Holy Communion wonderfully achieves in our spiritual life. Communion with the flesh of the risen Christ, a flesh "given life and giving life through the Holy Spirit,"229 preserves, increases, and renews the life of grace received at Baptism. This growth in Christian life needs the nourishment of Eucharistic Communion, the bread for our pilgrimage until the moment of death, when it will be given to us as viaticum…
The Eucharist is not what it is because we are the Church, we are the Church because of what the Eucharist is. The article says the opposite though.
I am not able to articulate very clearly everything I’m thinking and I’m sorry if this is a confussing mess.
 
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richiejm3:
I am not able to articulate very clearly everything I’m thinking and I’m sorry if this is a confussing mess.
Seems to me you expressed yourself very well. You wrote what I was thinking about that article. I did send the article to my priest and he declared it a bunch of bunk. He humorously “chastised” me for wasting my time reading it.
 
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otm:
I am at a loss to see how this is a false or misleading statement.
Please tell me a time in the Church when this statement would have been true
The priest became the only one to be acting in the eucharistic celebration.
Unless all the faithfull were unconscience during the liturgy, they were all acting participants of will.

Can you think of a time when Mass was regularly said to flocks of unconscience faithful, for that would be the only time this statement would be true.
 
Our liturgies, therefore, must not be seen as isolated interventions of grace into our otherwise profane and graceless lives.
That is a wonderful statement, and worth reading the article for.

The only part I might have a problem with is:
Jesus calls us to eat his flesh and drink his blood. We must avoid an overly literalistic understanding of these words. We do not literally eat flesh or drink blood. Jesus’ command to eat his body and drink his blood can only make sense if we understand the words body and blood as designating the whole person, the real glorified Jesus as he exists today.
I’ll have to think about this statement more before commenting further.
 
I found the article mildly interesting but even less provacative.
What did apeal to me was the appeal at the bottom of the article for silence in the mass…quite ironic after all the lip service to participation.
 
To give an example, the matter of Baptism was water; the form the words: “I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” As long as the priest used water and said the proper words, the sacrament was valid. Other parts of the ceremony might have been edifying and “good for the faithful to hear.” But it was the water and the proper words that really counted.
What is his point?
 
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