Polygamists next in line for marriage equality?

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I could see this happening easily. Lots of people who are either supportive of or indifferent towards same-sex marriage generally aren’t too concerned about polygamy. I think adult-child relationships would probably encounter more resistance than either polygamy or homosexual marriage, though.
 
I am ok with polygamist marriage for members of religious groups with a standing tradition of belief in polygamy such as the FLDS. For me this is a religious freedom issue. FLDS people legitimately believe that God demands polygamy as seen in the Old Testament. In my mind, preventing them from legally marrying is hindering their religious freedom.

But, yeah, the legalities would be interesting to see worked out.
I have always been of the opinion that polygamy has more tradition and biological standing than same sex marriage. From a child welfare perspective, kids are better off with both male and female parents. Theoretically a child in a family with 1 male and three females (or vise versa) would still get that benefit while a child with only two female or two male parents could not.

I think it will be a coin toss as to whether polygamy or incest gets approval next. I don’t mean father/daughter but there is no practical reason that half-siblings or first cousins shouldn’t marry. There used to be the objection due to increased chance of birth defects but since same-sex marriage takes procreation out of the equation, that doesn’t matter anymore. (and modern science makes it relatively easy to check with genetic testing) That only leaves a moral objection which is just a vulnerable as the objection to same-sex marriage.

In the end, it will be whichever groups gets more money and screams the loudest. 😦
 
The biggest thing when it comes to polygamy is that it would be a logistical nightmare. Person X is married to people A and B. B is married to X but not to A, but additionally person B is also married to C, Y, and Z. C is only married to B, but also to D. D is married to E who is also married to Y. No. Possible. Way.

Instead what should happen is that we allow everyone to legally have one spouse, but decriminalize polygamous relationships. Prosecute child and domestic abuse, prosecute welfare fraud, but if people want to live together as one married group or if someone wants multiple spouses don’t waste the time and money investigating, prosecuting, and punishing.
Traditional polygamy for religious reasons involves man A and women B, C, D. One husband, multiple wives. The women can marry one man, the man can marry more than one woman, but the women cannot marry other men unless divorced or widowed. Less complicated than your above post. 😛

I would support 1 legal spouse and decriminalizing polygamy if it weren’t for Social Security benefits, inheritance, retirement benefits, etc. At this point in time, a woman can be “spiritually married” to a man as a 2nd wife (for example) for 10 year and bear him children. If he dies unexpectedly, she has nothing but whatever he willed to her if he even had a will. The legal wife gets SS benefits for herself and any children, is entitled to his retirement, the house…everything. Ideally, she would continue to care for the other wives and children, but stuff happens. Jealousies, resentments, greed. 2nd wife could realistically end up destitute with young children.

Now, suppose he has a will with a somewhat equitable division of property and assets. Its well established precedent that wills can be overturned. A legal wife and legitimate children could still end up with everything. If polygamy were legal for religious sects, much like certain drugs are legal for religious sects, this wouldn’t be nearly such a problem.
 
The door is open to all kinds of perversions. What about those folks whose dog or cat or whatever completes them? What if they want to marry their pet? Who can say no since we are “free to love whomever we choose” according to some of the signs at that rally yesterday.

Satan must surely be smiling on the stupidity of this country and the Blessed Mother is weeping. Shame on the court and our country.
 
One non-religious argument against polygamy is that it is naturally destabilizing in the following way:

Most polygamous relationships are one man, multiple wives. Any society that fully adopts polygamy will end up with lots of powerful men obtaining multiple wives (trophy wives), which ultimately leaves some men with no available partners. In other words, Polygamy leads to less married people overall. Polygamy is therefore bad (and can be shot down legally) because it naturally deprives men of partners, and leads to an unequal treatment of women (imagine Hugh Hefner in every city, in every neighborhood).

Gay marriage isn’t equivalent, at least to the Western secular mindset. Since gays and lesbians aren’t going to be marrying the opposite sex anyways, then allowing them to marry each other doesn’t lead to less married people overall. And the individuals in gay marriage are treated equally, not like those in polygamous marriages.

I chose a non-religious argument because I don’t think that Christians can safely use the Bible to refute polygamy, given that so many of the major characters of the Old Testament were polygamous themselves. Yes, we can say that times changed and that the rules of the Old Testament don’t apply anymore. But someone who promotes polygamy can turn right around and use that to prove that Judeo-Christian views and rules on marriage have changed over time, and therefore they can change the rules as well.
 
The biggest thing when it comes to polygamy is that it would be a logistical nightmare. Person X is married to people A and B. B is married to X but not to A, but additionally person B is also married to C, Y, and Z. C is only married to B, but also to D. D is married to E who is also married to Y. No. Possible. Way.
I agree, and think you’ve hit on a very real problem with legalized polygamy.
Plus, image the tax forms! :eek:
 
Instead what should happen is that we allow everyone to legally have one spouse, but decriminalize polygamous relationships. Prosecute child and domestic abuse, prosecute welfare fraud, but if people want to live together as one married group or if someone wants multiple spouses don’t waste the time and money investigating, prosecuting, and punishing.
Yes, this is the only thing that makes sense. I still don’t get how is totally legal for a married man to have as many affairs as he wants behind his wifes back and not provide for those women…but if he and his wife lovingly bring them into their house and care for them, and all are committed to living together as a family and supporting each other spiritually, emotionally, and financially…well thats illegal! WHAT?

Outlaw adultery or allow polygamy.
 
I wouldn’t be toooo sure about that. When I was young, you married before sex, and your husband was expected to support you and his family, (not the Government) and divorce was not the thing to even consider. I never even knew what an abortion was till I was already married with kids. Same with homosexuality. Babies were welcomed not dreaded. And we weren’t in debt up to our elbows. Paid as we bought or saved for it. My husband paid cash for his first new car. The only thing we ever bought “on time” was our home. Payments were $74 a month including taxes and insurance. Life was so much easier and families were closer. And as far as I knew, everyone believed in GOD. Society and school supported the parents in teaching their kids manners, honesty, truthfulness and decency, AND love for their Country! I would give an arm and a leg to go back to the “Good ole Days.” Who would have ever thought I’d be living in days like today. I feel sick about it and scared for our kids future. Most people today don’t even know what their missing. God have Mercy on us. God Bless, Memaw
Have you seen the TV show, “Sister Wives” Their waiting in line I’m sure. Making it seem perfectly “normal”.
I remember the "good ole days’ when five girls were expeting a baby at high school graduation (May 1965) and not everyone believed in God. The good old days were no
different from the ‘bad new days’. 😃 🤷
 
They have their own sympathetic reality show, so they’re halfway there. The sympathetic “child bride” show, however, let alone the sympathetic “cougar-manchild” show is still unlikely to win the hearts of the public. The moral numbness is not quite that complete yet.
One of my grandmothers could have been called a “cougar” because she was 7 years 4 months older then my grandfather. BTY they were married in 1899. :eek: 😃
 
While a successful push for polygamy might come from the LDS old school crowd, or the more modern non religious polywhateverists, I think it more likely to come from a Muslim man / woman who was married prior to immigrating to the US.
 
One of my grandmothers could have been called a “cougar” because she was 7 years 4 months older then my grandfather. BTY they were married in 1899. :eek: 😃
He was 15 and she was 22? I think the older party needs to be a little longer in the tooth than that to be considered a cougar or a sugar daddy.
 
Traditional polygamy for religious reasons involves man A and women B, C, D. One husband, multiple wives. The women can marry one man, the man can marry more than one woman, but the women cannot marry other men unless divorced or widowed. Less complicated than your above post. 😛

I would support 1 legal spouse and decriminalizing polygamy if it weren’t for Social Security benefits, inheritance, retirement benefits, etc. At this point in time, a woman can be “spiritually married” to a man as a 2nd wife (for example) for 10 year and bear him children. If he dies unexpectedly, she has nothing but whatever he willed to her if he even had a will. The legal wife gets SS benefits for herself and any children, is entitled to his retirement, the house…everything. Ideally, she would continue to care for the other wives and children, but stuff happens. Jealousies, resentments, greed. 2nd wife could realistically end up destitute with young children.

Now, suppose he has a will with a somewhat equitable division of property and assets. Its well established precedent that wills can be overturned. A legal wife and legitimate children could still end up with everything. If polygamy were legal for religious sects, much like certain drugs are legal for religious sects, this wouldn’t be nearly such a problem.
That would never be constitutional. You cannot allow one man to have multiple wives but not allow women the same. Besides, if you allow it for certain religious groups be aware that new ones will pop up to exploit the loophole. It’s best to just allow it provided to harm is done. Like another poster said it makes no sense to make this illegal when adultery is fine.

As for wills, if this were legal it would actually protect non legal wives because they would have grounds to challenge the first wife/will for property. As it stands now they can’t show that they were married, but if it were decriminalized they could show that as someone who lived as a wife they are entitled to XYZ. It would just take a minor tweak in inheritance law.

As for government benefits such as SS, knowing that they wouldn’t be eligible for government benefits would be one of the things they knew going in, and because they know that it could prompt them to demand a trust or other form of protection be set up for them.
 
I remember the "good ole days’ when five girls were expeting a baby at high school graduation (May 1965) and not everyone believed in God. The good old days were no
different from the ‘bad new days’. 😃 🤷
Well I go back a little farther than you and no one in my school ever even had to get married that I know of. Some married right out of high school but they planned to anyway. And oh yes, they were much better times than today. My mom raised 10 kids. 6 girls and 4 boys and NONE of us had to get married or even thought of divorce after marriage. No drugs, no abortions,no living together, no rudeness, respect for elders and yes even for parents and teachers. We had manners. My gentleman friends walked on the outside of the sidewalk, opened doors etc. Met my parents, became friends with all my siblings. Sure doesn’t sound like today to me. God Bless, Memaw
 
Well I go back a little farther than you and no one in my school ever even had to get married that I know of. Some married right out of high school but they planned to anyway. And oh yes, they were much better times than today. My mom raised 10 kids. 6 girls and 4 boys and NONE of us had to get married or even thought of divorce after marriage. No drugs, no abortions,no living together, no rudeness, respect for elders and yes even for parents and teachers. We had manners. My gentleman friends walked on the outside of the sidewalk, opened doors etc. Met my parents, became friends with all my siblings. Sure doesn’t sound like today to me. God Bless, Memaw
Oh please, the old days weren’t that great, just ask any racial minority, woman who wanted or needed to work outside the home, rape victims, child and domestic abuse victims, and people with disabilities.

And abortions, out of wedlock pregnancies, drugs, alcohol, etc were all a big dirty secret in America even in the “good old days”.
 
Polygamists See Gay Marriage Ruling Opening Door to Multiple Marriages
Newsmax.
Thursday, 27,June 2013 10:20:09

Polygamists cheered the Supreme Court for their gay marriage rulings Wednesday, which they considered one step forward for the legal and social acceptance of multi-person relationships."We polyamorists are grateful to our [LGBT] brothers and sisters for blazing the marriage equality trail,"Practical Polyamory spokeswoman Anita Wagner Illigtold Newsmax.
Depends. How much money can big business squeeze out of them?
 
Oh please, the old days weren’t that great, just ask any racial minority, woman who wanted or needed to work outside the home, rape victims, child and domestic abuse victims, and people with disabilities.

And abortions, out of wedlock pregnancies, drugs, alcohol, etc were all a big dirty secret in America even in the “good old days”.
Ask a racial minority if their families were intact back in the “good old days.” They had a lot better chance of living in an intact family than now. Working outside the home? My mom worked outside the home whenever she needed to or wanted to, which was quite often, and stayed home when she wanted to. Out of wedlock pregnancies were not celebrated, but neither were they a big dirty secret, but there were so darned few of them it hardly mattered.
 
Ask a racial minority if their families were intact back in the “good old days.” They had a lot better chance of living in an intact family than now. Working outside the home? My mom worked outside the home whenever she needed to or wanted to, which was quite often, and stayed home when she wanted to. Out of wedlock pregnancies were not celebrated, but neither were they a big dirty secret, but there were so darned few of them it hardly mattered.
Really? Really? So who cares that blacks were beaten, intimidated, treated like second class citizens, kept out of educational institutions, etc? Things were so much better for them because hey, while they couldn’t even vote their parents were together. As someone who comes from a “broken” family I’ll take my situation over that of a black person’s in 1940. That outlook is extremely offensive and I think most black people would strongly disagree that they were better off then.

As for women in the workforce the wage gap was enormous and there were no protections in place for sex discrimination and sexual harassment.
 
Really? Really? So who cares that blacks were beaten, intimidated, treated like second class citizens, kept out of educational institutions, etc? Things were so much better for them because hey, while they couldn’t even vote their parents were together. As someone who comes from a “broken” family I’ll take my situation over that of a black person’s in 1940. That outlook is extremely offensive and I think most black people would strongly disagree that they were better off then.

As for women in the workforce the wage gap was enormous and there were no protections in place for sex discrimination and sexual harassment.
I wasn’t recommending beatings, intimidation, and second class citizenship. I am recommending intact families. I don’t know how many would strongly disagree that they were better of then, Maybe a lot. I don’t know how many would recommend growing up in an inner city ghetto even today. The idea is not to trade one evil for another.

Meemaw was noting that she recalled good experiences. So do I. Not everyone does. Some things are better now. Some things are worse.
 
I wasn’t recommending beatings, intimidation, and second class citizenship. I am recommending intact families. I don’t know how many would strongly disagree that they were better of then, Maybe a lot. I don’t know how many would recommend growing up in an inner city ghetto even today. The idea is not to trade one evil for another.

Meemaw was noting that she recalled good experiences. So do I. Not everyone does. Some things are better now. Some things are worse.
That’s precisely the point I’m making. Every era has it’s problems, and often when we look back we only see the good. The fact is that for a great many people “the good old days” were hell. For others, today is hell. But let’s not sweep everything under the rug just because divorce wasn’t as common back then. Let’s face it, people weren’t better spouses back then, it’s just that divorce was so unacceptable that many people felt trapped into staying with abusers, drunks, and adulterers. Actually domestic and child abuse was extremely common, and there were few legal remedies.

I know many black people, and I can’t think of one that would give up their equality, education, and opportunities just for the sake of having a greater chance of having married parents. I mean wow, things were really, really awful back then.
 
Though polygamists may push to be next, I think that the next push will be for a lowering of age of consent laws, thereby enabling ‘adult-young person marriage.’ I was going to write “adult-child” marriage, but the proponents will be careful to find a better term than that.
This can occur now in some states. Of the top of my head, I can think of one state that has a minimum age of 13. However, marrying someone under the age of 15 is typically difficult in the U.S., and often involves special circumstances, approval by the parents, and especially approval by the court. It should also be noted that the Catholic Church has a lower minimum age than most states and countries.
 
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