Polygenism CAF Tract

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Ok, well, then I don’t get what you’re saying. I am really bothered by what Pope XII said. I just want to know if the second paragraph in my post #1 which is a CA tract, is basically saying what Ed Feser is saying, and if what Feser said is not an example of polygenism.

Sorry, I’m not that smart and can’t understand what you’ve been posting. Apparently Spyridon cant either.
 
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Ok, well, then I don’t get what you’re saying. I am really bothered by what Pope XII said. I just want to know if the second paragraph in my post #1 which is a CA tract, is basically saying what Ed Feser is saying, and if what Feser said is not an example of polygenism.

Sorry, I’m not that smart and can’t understand what you’ve been posting. Apparently Spyridon doesn’t either.
And I am trying to explain that what you posted above is an over-simplification of something much deeper and more complicated.

Before you get to that point, you need to do further study in scripture and theology.

I read the article that you linked in the OP.

I can say (as a theologian) that what is written there is perfectly in harmony with Catholic theology.

I will also point to the fact that the article has both the Nihil Obstat and the Imprimatur which are official statements by competent Church authority that nothing contradicts the Catholic faith (nihil obstat) and “let it be printed” (imprimatur). So don’t take that on my scant authority.
 
I know the article is A-OK with the Church but where it says…”it allows for the possibility that mans body developed from previous biological forms… isn’t that the same thing as what Feser is saying?
 
I know the article is A-OK with the Church but where it says…”it allows for the possibility that mans body developed from previous biological forms… isn’t that the same thing as what Feser is saying?
That is exactly what I mean by an oversimplification. I count 13 words in that sentence. I have not read what Feser has to say, but I rather doubt that it could be summarized in just 13 words in a way that would do his work justice.
 

Try reading the first three paragraphs in particular.
 
Try reading the first three paragraphs in particular.
That is not the solution. That is the problem.

I cannot, repeat CANNOT just read the first 3 paragraphs and come back here with a yes-or-no response to your question.

You are looking for a 3-paragraph summary of what he wrote. Even that single article has to be put into context that it is part 2.

Read what he wrote in the opening line
If you haven’t yet read Flynn and Kemp, you should do so before reading anything else on this subject.
This is what I’m trying to say.

You are looking for a “summary of the summary of the cliff notes version” of a very complicated topic.

It would take me DAYS to read the blog article in a way that does it justice. I would have to first read part 1. I would have to read Flynn and Kemp (as the author clearly stated). I would have to read (at least briefly) every other article he cites in the blog.

A subject like this cannot be approached from the perspective of saying “I demand a yes or no answer.”

What he is writing is very complicated and very dense philosophy (and I’ll note that he identifies himself as a philosopher of religion, not a theologian, and also as a Catholic).

@Hope1960 please understand that you’re looking for an easy answer to a very complicated question. It cannot be just summarized in one or two sentences—not matter how many times you keep asking for one.
 
Ok. I read all that a few years ago. It can be summarized the way I summerized it but if you don’t think so, you don’t think so.

In post #34 you said Catholics can believe in Fesers theory.
 
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Let me ask you something Deacon. Are you able to read my 13 words and know what Feser means and do you still say Catholics are allowed to believe his theory, that it doesn’t go against Pope PiusXII order to not believe in polygenism?
 
It’s a vile belief, but as of yet it has not been explicitly forbidden.
 
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Well, I think Young Earth Creation is a vile belief, but as yet has not been explicitly forbidden.

I guess we’re at an impasse?
 
Ok. I read all that a few years ago. It can be summarized the way I summerized it but if you don’t think so, you don’t think so.

In post #34 you said Catholics can believe in Fesers theory.
Yes. I wrote something to that effect. It was a quick answer.

The problem is that you then want to summarize the whole thing as “not going against Pope Pius XII” with regard to polygenism.

That’s where there are other steps/stages involved.

A simple “yes” answer then triggers the fundamentalist proof-texters who (like their evangelical counterparts) are waiting in the wings to pounce and say “that goes against humani generis which I am now going to quote in just 2 or 3 sentences removed from any context whatsoever.”

And as I keep saying, the whole matter is much more complicated.

I gave you the short answer already. I gave it to you multiple times.

You keep coming back and repeating the question.

You are giving the impression that all you want is the short answer.

That short answer comes with a warning that the issue is more complex and deserves (indeed requires) a very long answer.
 
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