polytheism is a alive and well in mormonism

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The latest fiction to come out of the LDS church. mormon apostle Glenn Pace, March 9, 2010…

“Sisters, I testify that when you stand in front of your heavenly parents in those royal courts on high and you look into Her eyes and behold Her countenance, any question you ever had about the role of women in the kingdom will evaporate into the rich celestial air, because at that moment you will see standing directly in front of you, your divine nature and destiny.”
 
RebeccaJ said:
The latest fiction to come out of the LDS church. mormon apostle Glenn Pace, March 9, 2010…

“Sisters, I testify that when you stand in front of your heavenly parents in those royal courts on high and you look into Her eyes and behold Her countenance, any question you ever had about the role of women in the kingdom will evaporate into the rich celestial air, because at that moment you will see standing directly in front of you, your divine nature and destiny.”
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What a lovely quote, Rebecca. Thank you. But I get the feeling that you are trying to mock our beliefs here. I mean, I can’t imagine why you would; after all, wouldn’t this quote work very well in Catholic beliefs, if the woman being spoken of here was Mary?

…and you are here proclaiming this as if it were a deep, dark, closely held secret. I take it you don’t remember the lyrics to “Oh My Father…?”

or how we feel about this issue?
 
Please, correct me if I’m saying something way out there, but it isn’t it possible to see God in His Saints? Isn’t that what saints are, those that reflect the beauty of God? I remember hearing a story about one of the ascetic fathers who was asked what vision he would like to have if he could have one. He answered, “I would like to see a saint so that I may see God”.

Now, capitalizing “Her” in “…Her eyes and behold Her countenance”, that is kind of sketchy…I admit. I don’t know if Catholics capitalize “her” for the Virgin Mary, but the Orthodox certainly don’t. And I’m not sure what the speaker means by the “heavenly parents in those royal courts on high”, since we only have one Father (God) but, then again, we also refer to priests as Father… Oh well, ambiguity, better not to stress out about it too much…unless you’re mormon 🙂
 
PeaceSerenity said:
Please, correct me if I’m saying something way out there, but it isn’t it possible to see God in His Saints? Isn’t that what saints are, those that reflect the beauty of God? I remember hearing a story about one of the ascetic fathers who was asked what vision he would like to have if he could have one. He answered, “I would like to see a saint so that I may see God”.

Now, capitalizing “Her” in “…Her eyes and behold Her countenance”, that is kind of sketchy…I admit. I don’t know if Catholics capitalize “her” for the Virgin Mary, but the Orthodox certainly don’t. And I’m not sure what the speaker means by the “heavenly parents in those royal courts on high”, since we only have one Father (God) but, then again, we also refer to priests as Father… Oh well, ambiguity, better not to stress out about it too much…unless you’re mormon 🙂
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We don’t stress. We leave it to the critics to get all tangled up. WE know what we are talking about. 😉
 
Mormons believe in a father god who subsequently had a wife, and thus a mother goddess. This is polytheism no matter which way you try to slice it.
 
Did the father god create the wife? I agree with you, that sounds like polytheism, but I’m just curious 🙂 I mean, the Hindus have 1000s of gods and claim to be monotheistic it’s hard to know where to slice
 
I think capitalizing is intended to show a status as a god, just we would capitalize “Him” or “His” when referring to God.
 
PeaceSerenity said:
Did the father god create the wife? I agree with you, that sounds like polytheism, but I’m just curious 🙂 I mean, the Hindus have 1000s of gods and claim to be monotheistic it’s hard to know where to slice
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As I understand it, Hinduism has a belief for many incarnations of one god (Shiva).

mormon belief is for many gods, but only one of these gods is worshiped. It is how they interpret the first commandment. So while the belief is for a goddess that is married to their god they call “God the Father”, this goddess is not worshiped. Some mormons will claim the existence of this goddess is not a part of their doctrine. Or, that is a doctrine that has lesser importance. They certainly do not mention this goddess when trying to recruit Christian converts.
 
dianaiad said:
What a lovely quote, Rebecca. Thank you. But I get the feeling that you are trying to mock our beliefs here. I mean, I can’t imagine why you would; after all, wouldn’t this quote work very well in Catholic beliefs, if the woman being spoken of here was Mary?

…and you are here proclaiming this as if it were a deep, dark, closely held secret. I take it you don’t remember the lyrics to “Oh My Father…?”

or how we feel about this issue?
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No Diana, you little godling. It is mormons who hide this goddess, claiming that nothing is ever taught about her. Here you have a teaching from 2 weeks ago.

I think it is important for Christians to know that your belief is polytheistic.

And no, Catholics do not consider Mary to be a goddess, of any kind. And certainly she is not married to the Father.

Don’t try to confuse your polytheism with anything Catholic. It isn’t there.
 
PeaceSerenity said:
Did the father god create the wife? I agree with you, that sounds like polytheism, but I’m just curious 🙂 I mean, the Hindus have 1000s of gods and claim to be monotheistic it’s hard to know where to slice
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no as far as I have researched.
 
RebeccaJ said:
As I understand it, Hinduism has a belief for many incarnations of one god (Shiva).

mormon belief is for many gods, but only one of these gods is worshiped. It is how they interpret the first commandment. So while the belief is for a goddess that is married to their god they call “God the Father”, this goddess is not worshiped. Some mormons will claim the existence of this goddess is not a part of their doctrine. Or, that is a doctrine that has lesser importance. They certainly do not mention this goddess when trying to recruit Christian converts.
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Hinduism has various views on the divine (it isn’t monolithic). A popular conception is that the various deities (including Shiva) are manifestations of Brahman. Shiva is one of the three most popular deities in Hinduism, along with Vishnu and Brahma (not to be confused with Brahman).

I think that Mormonism is most accurately classified as “monolatry”, since they accept the existence of other gods, while only one is worthy of worship.

What I never understood is where the belief in a Heavenly Mother came from, since it’s not even in the D&C.
 
TheosisM said:
Hinduism has various views on the divine (it isn’t monolithic). A popular conception is that the various deities (including Shiva) are manifestations of Brahman. Shiva is one of the three most popular deities in Hinduism, along with Vishnu and Brahma (not to be confused with Brahman).

I think that Mormonism is most accurately classified as “monolatry”, since they accept the existence of other gods, while only one is worthy of worship.

What I never understood is where the belief in a Heavenly Mother came from, since it’s not even in the D&C.
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I thought a better word was henotheism.
 
TheosisM said:
I think that Mormonism is most accurately classified as “monolatry”, since they accept the existence of other gods, while only one is worthy of worship.
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I’d say more accurately classified as henotheism. But both monolatrism and henotheism are forms of polytheism.
What I never understood is where the belief in a Heavenly Mother came from, since it’s not even in the D&C.
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Joseph Smith first taught it c.1839. The hymn Diana is referring to was written by Eliza Snow (one of Smith’s wives) in 1845, after his death.
 
RebeccaJ said:
The latest fiction to come out of the LDS church. mormon apostle Glenn Pace, March 9, 2010…

“Sisters, I testify that when you stand in front of your heavenly parents in those royal courts on high and you look into Her eyes and behold Her countenance, any question you ever had about the role of women in the kingdom will evaporate into the rich celestial air, because at that moment you will see standing directly in front of you, your divine nature and destiny.”
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Personally, I like the part where he says that if you’re single, you’re incomplete. Does that mean Jesus was incomplete?

“Although single men and women can accomplish great things on their own, they are incomplete until united intellectually, emotionally, physically and most important, spiritually, he said”
 
I capitalize Her & She when talking about Our Lady out of respect.
 
twopekinguys said:
Personally, I like the part where he says that if you’re single, you’re incomplete. Does that mean Jesus was incomplete?

“Although single men and women can accomplish great things on their own, they are incomplete until united intellectually, emotionally, physically and most important, spiritually, he said”
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Here is a further portion of the quote by Elder Pace (a Seventy–not an apostle, by the way, though it could have well been said by an apostle):
“I believe the Father’s statement ‘It is not good that the man should be alone’ (Genesis 2:18) had a much more profound meaning than the obvious biological implications,” he said. “It also went further than providing Adam with company. Adam’s ability to obtain the purification necessary to get back into the presence of God was dependent upon his continuous association with Eve.”
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In order for men and women to obtain the highest degree of celestial glory, there is need to be married, Elder Pace said.
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“There is a limit to our spiritual development as long as we are single. There is a spiritual development which can only be obtained when a man and a woman join their incomplete selves into a complete couple,” he said. “Just as conception requires the physical union of male and female, perfection requires the union of the very souls of male and female.”
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Although single men and women can accomplish great things on their own, they are incomplete until united intellectually, emotionally, physically and most important, spiritually, he said.
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“The world we live in has gone awry with its focus on the physical part of the male and female relationship. If there is too much focus on the physical, the vital areas of intellectual, emotional and spiritual union are not being placed in an environment where they can flourish and grow.”
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Jesus was a unique Person in the history of this world, in case you hadn’t noticed. He was Perfect, in case that had not crossed your mind. This means He didn’t need marriage to be “complete”, but it does not mean that anyone else in the world will have those qualities of being “complete” or being “perfect” in and of themselves. Get it?
 
ParkerD said:
Jesus was a unique Person in the history of this world, in case you hadn’t noticed. He was Perfect, in case that had not crossed your mind. This means He didn’t need marriage to be “complete”, but it does not mean that anyone else in the world will have those qualities of being “complete” or being “perfect” in and of themselves. Get it?
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I actually agree with the idea that people need to find there other to be complete. As for polytheism being alive and well, yes it is just look at the rise of Neo-Pagan religions and the Polytheistic faiths that never died out in Asia.

I’ve been looking into Mormonism as a lot of my favorite books where written by Mormons.
 
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