Pontius Pilate a saint?

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prodromos said:
Of course he is, but being a great saint does not infallible one make… Only Christ is infallible.

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I have read that Pilot’s career took a turn for the worse after the crucifixion. Rome assigned him to another Middle Eastern province where he eventually took his own life.

Someone on this web page asked about another saint involved in the crucifixion. That would be St. Longinus, The Roman centurion who thrust a spear into the side of Christ. He is also the one who said when Christ died and the heavens stormed over Golgotha that “This was, indeed, the son of God.” He became a great saint in the early church and traveled far and wide the rest of his life telling his story to the different Christian communities. He is in the Book of Saints in both the Eastern and Western churches. 🙂
 
Moonbug said:
I have read that Pilot’s career took a turn for the worse after the crucifixion. Rome assigned him to another Middle Eastern province where he eventually took his own life.

Someone on this web page asked about another saint involved in the crucifixion. That would be St. Longinus, The Roman centurion who thrust a spear into the side of Christ. He is also the one who said when Christ died and the heavens stormed over Golgotha that “This was, indeed, the son of God.” He became a great saint in the early church and traveled far and wide the rest of his life telling his story to the different Christian communities. He is in the Book of Saints in both the Eastern and Western churches. 🙂
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Yesterday was St. Longinus’ Feastday.
 
I often think about the concept of “free will” when reading about Judas Iscariot and Pontius Pilate-they had their parts to play did they not-? -the gnostic Gospel of Judas although “being way out there in my opinon” tries to address this

They eally had no choice did they?:cool:
 
cmodrmac said:
I often think about the concept of “free will” when reading about Judas Iscariot and Pontius Pilate-they had their parts to play did they not-? -the gnostic Gospel of Judas although “being way out there in my opinon” tries to address this

They eally had no choice did they?:cool:
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Judas certainly did have a choice.

His “sick love of silver” lead him to speed up what would have happened anyway. It’s not like Jesus would not have been sold out by some non-believer; it’s likely as not he’d have been arrested by morning anyway for the bit with the colt. Judas also failed when he then despaired, and hanged himself.

While it’s not a given that he died in a state of unrepentance, he did die committing a mortal sin or two.

If Judas had had no free will, he’d neither have despaired nor would he have been confronted by Jesus at the last supper about it.
 
DorianGregorian said:
Tradition doesn’t look favorably upon Pilate…

“He was Crucified under Pontius Pilate.”
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I think the purpose of Pontius Pilate’s name being in our creed was to emphasize that Jesus was a real historical person and not just a myth.
 
catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9484 “The Abyssinian Church reckons him as a saint” and now read from here saints.sqpn.com/ncd00066.htm “There are a few Catholics of the Abyssinian Rite in communion with Rome” and now back from here catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9484 “He was summoned to Rome to answer their charges, but before he could reach the city the Emperor Tiberius had died. That is the last we know of Pilate from authentic sources, but legend has been busy with his name. He is said by Eusebius (H.E., ii, 7), on the authority of earlier writers, whom he does not name, to have fallen into great misfortunes under Caligula, and eventually to have committed suicide. Other details come from less respectable sources.”
 
MACADAMIANUTS said:
“The Abyssinian Church reckons him as a saint” and now read from here saints.sqpn.com/ncd00066.htm “There are a few Catholics of the Abyssinian Rite in communion with Rome” and now back from here
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You only quoted half of that sentence. Here is the context.
Since his time the Abyssinians have belonged to the Coptic Church and fell with it into the Monophysite heresy. The Abyssinian Church is today a debased form of Christianity curiously mingled with Judaistic rites. There are a few Catholics of the Abyssinian Rite in communion with Rome, but all attempts at a general reconciliation have been frustrated by national feeling. Catholic missionaries were not relieved of persecution until the reign of Menelek II in the 19th century.
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Wow, that’s ridiculous. Are sites like that one really where you guys get information about other churches? I never thought I’d see a Catholic equivalent to Jack Chick, but I think that’s pretty close in terms of polemical craziness and inaccuracy. It just needs some cartoons.

Really, I’m almost impressed by how wrong and ignorant it is.
 
Sorry, Jharek. That wasn’t meant as a response to your post, but a general question to the people who do go to a site like that and treat it as though it is a reliable source on anything, since this population apparently includes some people here on CAF or we wouldn’t have known of that lovely site in the first place. It boggles the mind. I suppose in our times of user-edited facts and truths, anything that includes the word “Encyclopedia” is likely to be actually treated like one by somebody who doesn’t know any better, but for heaven’s sake…if you can’t see when a disagreement stretches from “my church doesn’t agree with practice X” to “the people who do X are heathen barbarians”, maybe a modicum of discretion is in order before linking to your sources as though they help prove whatever point you think you’re making.
 
I am sorry to have caused tempers to start flaming. I want everyone to first understand, I do not believe any Catholic to be more or less important of one to another. The same also applies to Rites. "The Rites (Church) is all “the bride of Christ”. But honestly, I fail to see how some are taking the link as insulting. Church relations with Ethiopia have been an uphill battle for many years. I’m glad and happy to know union there has begun to return.
 
mypete said:
For Christ to die a violent death , so that he could rise again, you had to have the evil men to betray and carry the killing. This fulfilled the prophocies.
Now the question is , did the evil men have a choice? for to complete the christ story, someone had to betray, and someone had to be killers.
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Yes of course he had a choice. Like all men he has the gift of free-will. Did God know what choice Pilate would make? Of course God knew, as He is omniscient. However the fact that God knew that Judas would betray Jesus and that Pilate would allow Jesus to be crucified, does not mean that Judas or Pilate had no choice in the matter. They freely chose to do what they did, regardless of the fact that God knew what choice they would make.
 
Yes, but somehow the word “uncharitable” in regards to the vile and nasty drivel posted on that joke-of-a-website just seems far too mild. 😉
 
He committed suicide because his (king, emperor, boss ??) told him to. I don’t think that qualifies as sainthood.
 
MACADAMIANUTS said:
I am sorry to have caused tempers to start flaming. I want everyone to first understand, I do not believe any Catholic to be more or less important of one to another. The same also applies to Rites. "The Rites (Church) is all “the bride of Christ”. But honestly, I fail to see how some are taking the link as insulting. Church relations with Ethiopia have been an uphill battle for many years. I’m glad and happy to know union there has begun to return.
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You’re talking about my faith here, so of course I find it offensive. As to the difficult relations between your church and the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, you need look no further than the site you linked to and apparently can’t see as offensive to hopefully begin to appreciate why relations between Catholics and Orthodox may be so poor in that part of the world. Since these things go both ways, should I therefore be allowed to post extremely inflammatory anti-RC polemic and then retreat into the pseudo-defense of confusion when people rebuke me on that account? After all, we’ve had some less-than-good times with Jesuits in Ethiopia (and Franciscans in Egypt, and so forth). I don’t think that’s how things should work around here. Please think before you post.
 
dzheremi said:
Wow, that’s ridiculous. Are sites like that one really where you guys get information about other churches? I never thought I’d see a Catholic equivalent to Jack Chick, but I think that’s pretty close in terms of polemical craziness and inaccuracy. It just needs some cartoons.

Really, I’m almost impressed by how wrong and ignorant it is.
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I would be slow to jump to conclusions on this. I have never seen that site before. I think the poster who linked it probably just found it from some search engine. That is the danger of trying to reasearching to prove a point instead of researching to find an answer.
 
dzheremi said:
You’re talking about my faith here, so of course I find it offensive. As to the difficult relations between your church and the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, you need look no further than the site you linked to and apparently can’t see as offensive to hopefully begin to appreciate why relations between Catholics and Orthodox may be so poor in that part of the world. Since these things go both ways, should I therefore be allowed to post extremely inflammatory anti-RC polemic and then retreat into the pseudo-defense of confusion when people rebuke me on that account? After all, we’ve had some less-than-good times with Jesuits in Ethiopia (and Franciscans in Egypt, and so forth). I don’t think that’s how things should work around here. Please think before you post.
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Okay. Now I am really confused. You are now saying there **is **a lot conflict between Catholic and Orthodox in this part of the world? The why was I so castigated last week for requesting a Catholic source? If there is also conflict in addition to the primary doctrinal issue that Orthodox lack the authority of the Successor of Peter, then that is an additional reason to require documentation be Catholic. Therefore, what the Abyssian Church (for example) thinks would not be anymore relevant that what the Baptist Church thinks.
 
dzheremi said:
You’re talking about my faith here, so of course I find it offensive. …I don’t think that’s how things should work around here. Please think before you post.
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I know you are not Catholic, but most Christians find it appropriate to accept an honest apology and forgive.
Since these things go both ways, should I therefore be allowed to post extremely inflammatory anti-RC polemic and then retreat into the pseudo-defense of confusion when people rebuke me on that account? After all, we’ve had some less-than-good times with Jesuits in Ethiopia (and Franciscans in Egypt, and so forth).
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Well, you just did. Do you feel better giving a little tit for tat?
 
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