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What does “Blessed are the poor in spirit” really mean.
I’m sure this question has been posted before but I really need a simple definition. Thanks.
 
You are referring to the first of Jesus’ beatitudes (“blesseds”) in the revelation on the mount (commonly called the “sermon” on the mount, but it was much more than any old boring sermon).

Jesus first beatitude is a reflection of the first of the ten commandments and the basis of the Judeo/Christian monotheism.

It means that you rely with your whole being on God and God alone. You acknowledge your spiritual poverty and dependence and reliance on God, above all.

“Hear O Israel the Lord is our God, the Lord is One!” “You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart, your whole soul (i.e. to the surrendering of your life), your whole mind, and with all your strength (i.e. even above all your earthly relationships and material possessions).”

That is the kingdom of God.
 
What does “Blessed are the poor in spirit” really mean.
I’m sure this question has been posted before but I really need a simple definition. Thanks.
I recommend the book Jesus of Nazareth by Pope Benedict XVI. He has given comments on each of the Beatitudes, 30 pages in all.
 
The poor in spirit are 1. the humble who know their own misery and sinfulness, and who confess by word and deed that they can do nothing of themselves, but that they have received from God all that is good in them. 2. the unworldly whose heart does not cling to worldly goods and pleasures, and who, be they rich or poor, have no inordinate desire for them.

from A Practical Commentary on Holy Scripture
 
I always thought it meant those who struggle in spirit to find God’s Love or Hope in God. The poor is spirit are the depressed, the ones with significant inferiority complexes so to speak, the ones who may have lost faith in life and God in despair but struggle nevertheless. They are not like the great in spirit who hope with certain confidence in God and have strong Hope and Faith. The poor in spirit are those who have lost all hope and suffer in mental anguish, always struggling spiritually to stay afloat and not drown into severe melancholy. They suffer in mind and spirit.

This is what I believe, at least. I maybe wrong, obviously.
 
I always thought it meant those who struggle in spirit to find God’s Love or Hope in God. The poor is spirit are the depressed, the ones with significant inferiority complexes so to speak, the ones who may have lost faith in life and God in despair but struggle nevertheless. They are not like the great in spirit who hope with certain confidence in God and have strong Hope and Faith. The poor in spirit are those who have lost all hope and suffer in mental anguish, always struggling spiritually to stay afloat and not drown into severe melancholy. They suffer in mind and spirit.

This is what I believe, at least. I maybe wrong, obviously.
Hey, lighten up! The whole Bible is the Gospel – the Good News.

No, no, no. Jesus was not speaking about depression. Yikes. Jesus said we’d know the truth and the truth would set us FREE!!!

IF you’re depressed, PLEASE get some help.REad the book, Happiness is a Choice written by two Christian psychiatrists.
 
Hey, lighten up! The whole Bible is the Gospel – the Good News.

No, no, no. Jesus was not speaking about depression. Yikes. Jesus said we’d know the truth and the truth would set us FREE!!!

IF you’re depressed, PLEASE get some help.REad the book, Happiness is a Choice written by two Christian psychiatrists.
Hey hey Lighten up Crumpy! I’m not depressed. I was restating what my Catholic priest taught me about who the poor in spirit were. The Bible is the Good News of course, but it also deals with suffering and the Cross, and how suffering can be transfigured in Christ.

In the Beatitudes, Jesus speaks to those who are meek, those who mourn, those who are persecuted. (You surely realize this) We are Catholics and we don’t believe in Prosperity Gospels or that life is one big “lighten up” routine. There are real people in this world who suffer from hunger, torture, cancer, heartbreak. In the Beatitudes Jesus is speaking to them. These are real sufferings and there is no use in denying that people suffer and simply propagating that everything is happy go lucky lighten up Christianity.

Reread the Beatitudes Crumpy, or the Biblical commentaries on who they speak to and the message of good Hope provided to the suffering.
 
Oh, apart from my well-versed priest, this definition of the “poor in spirit” was also made by Malcolm Muggeridge (St. Mug to those who knew him). I do not know if you know who he was but, in Bill Buckley’s opinion, he brought more of the English-speaking world to Christianity and Catholicism then any other lay person.

Muggeridge as a journalist saw the intense suffering of Christian people in the Soviet Union in the 1930s when 7 million died in Stalin’s man-made famine in Ukraine. Muggeridge risked his life to report on that. He pondered on Christianity and suffering for the rest of his life. He befriended Mother Teresa and made a film about her charitable works in India. He saw suffering first-hand, unlike many of us here in North America. He saw famines, the just suffering, and evil. It prompted him to write a best-seller Jesus: The Man who Lives, in the 1970s.

It is also from him that I get the definition of the “poor in spirit” that I earlier provide.

God Bless.
 
I always thought it meant those who struggle in spirit to find God’s Love or Hope in God. The poor is spirit are the depressed, the ones with significant inferiority complexes so to speak, the ones who may have lost faith in life and God in despair but struggle nevertheless. They are not like the great in spirit who hope with certain confidence in God and have strong Hope and Faith. The poor in spirit are those who have lost all hope and suffer in mental anguish, always struggling spiritually to stay afloat and not drown into severe melancholy. They suffer in mind and spirit.

This is what I believe, at least. I maybe wrong, obviously.
This is the nearest to what I have always thought it to mean. It is hard to lighten up and hear the good news when you’re in a place where the only hope is from God and that you don’t give up on Him and believe, that through it all He doesn’t give up on you. It’s a kind of martyrdom because when you are suffering from depression or a dark night of the soul, it is so tempting to just give up or give in.

And yes, I am bereaved and depressed right now.
 
While your definitions are interesting…none the less Poor in Spirit is to be humble.

Fr Serpa puts it exactly like this: “To be poor in spirit is to be humble. It is to acknowledge that all things, including ourselves, belong to God. He is more important than we are and we are happy with this. Nothing can make us happier than to realize how good He is!”
 
Thanks, but I stand with Saintlucy on this one. Father Serpa is Father Serpa, St. John of the Cross is St. John of the Cross, Malcolm Muggeridge is Malcolm Muggeridge. The point is the phrase is open to interpretation and Saintlucy’s, my learned parish priest’s, Muggeridge’s and my interpretation are just as valid I would hope. I would continue but in all honesty I have 3 hours of sunlight left to cut my lawn and I might not make it. :eek: I will check on this thread later though.

God Bless everyone, and you to Saintlucy! 🙂
 
O.K. lawn is cut.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
  1. "The Beatitudes are at the heart of Jesus’ preaching…Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven…
  2. “The Beatitudes depict the countenance of Jesus Christ and portray his charity. They express the vocation of the faithful associated with the glory of his Passion and Resurrection; they shed light on the actions and attitudes characteristic of the Christian life; they are the paradoxical promises that sustain hope in the midst of tribulations; they proclaim the blessings and rewards already secured, however dimly, for Christ’s disciples;”
(emphasis mine because I am drawing attention to the fact that Christ is here speaking to those “in the midst of tribulation” including those “poor in spirit” who are in the midst of spiritual tribulation, whether that means severe spiritual and mental depression and loss, or the dark night of the soul of which St. John of the Cross spoke-- this is my point).

From Bishop Fulton Sheen’s Life of Christ: “The Beatitudes cannot be taken alone: they are not ideals; they are hard facts and realities inseparable from the Cross of Calvary.” Again, emphasis mine to point to the fact that we are dealing with tribulations here and our sufferings being united in Christ’s so that our suffering may be transfigured.

From St. John Chrysostom’s commentary on the Beatitudes (and Chrysostom could obviously understand the Greek in which the Beatitudes were written). Chrysostom points out something I picked up on in reading the above posts where people simply proclaim “poor in spirit” means humble and that is that, so just “lighten up”. No, there is a Greek word for humble but St. Matthew did not use it, because for him “poor in spirit” means much more than humble but an “utterly broken last lowliness of mind”, which was the point I have been trying to get across all the time and which I believe the O.P. on this thread Saintlucy correctly understood. Here is St. John Chrysostom:

"What is meant by “the poor in spirit?” The humble and contrite in mind. For by “spirit” He hath here designated the soul, and the faculty of choice. That is, since many are humble not willingly, but compelled by stress of circumstances; letting these pass (for this were no matter of praise), He blesses them first, who by choice humble and contract themselves.

But why said he not, “the humble,” but rather “the poor?” Because this is more than that. For He means here them who are awestruck, and tremble at the commandments of God. Whom also by His prophet Isaiah God earnestly accepting said, “To whom will I look, but to him who is meek and quiet, and trembleth at My words?” For indeed there are many kinds of humility: one is humble in his own measure, another with all excess of lowliness. It is this last lowliness of mind which that blessed prophet commends, picturing to us the temper that is not merely subdued, but utterly broken, when he saith, “The sacrifice for God is a contrite spirit, a contrite and an humble heart God will not despise.” This Christ also now blesses."

Hope this helps. God Bless. 🙂
 
As first mentioned in my initial post 1. the humble who know their own misery and sinfulness, and who confess by word and deed that they can do nothing of themselves, but that they have received from God all that is good in them. What is that if not basically what you’ve been saying. But it seems to me you are leaving out the second part of this, and speak of someone totally depraved of faith in God… 🤷 We are speaking of someone of great faith despite all their tribulations sorrows sinfulness and misery.

Also in the CCC:

The Beatitudes take up and fulfill God’s promises from Abraham on by ordering them to the Kingdom of heaven. They respond to the desire for happiness that God has placed in the human heart.

The Beatitudes teach us the final end to which God calls us: the Kingdom, the vision of God, participation in the divine nature, eternal life, filiation, rest in God.

The beatitude of eternal life is a gratuitous gift of God. It is supernatural, as is the grace that leads us there.

The Beatitudes confront us with decisive choices concerning earthy goods; they purify our hearts in order to teach us to love God above all things.

The Beatitude of heaven sets the standards for discernment in the use of earthly goods in keeping with the law of God.
 
I think we may be slightly speaking beyond each other. I do not in any way claim that we are speaking of people “depraved in faith.” I never used such a term if you look at my posts.

I am speaking of people who may at times be weak in faith and in spirit, but struggle in the face of tribulation, to reach God: these are the spiritually poor in one sense that Christ blesses. I cannot see why you object so strenuously to such an interpretation (Chrysostom believed this too). Do you see something wrong with people who struggle or who may fall into the abyss of depression. Is their spiritual suffering and anguish not real? And does not God love them also. Again, please, if you insist, point out where anywhere in my posts I used the word “depraved”. You are putting words in my mouth. God Bless. 🙂
 
As first mentioned in my initial post 1. the humble who know their own misery and sinfulness, and who confess by word and deed that they can do nothing of themselves, but that they have received from God all that is good in them. We are speaking of someone of great faith despite all their tribulations sorrows sinfulness and misery.
Plus, I do not like to leave a thread on a bad note. We should after all be brothers and sisters in Christ. I believe, as you state, we are in general agreement.

I disagree though with your claim above that the poor in spirit are “of great faith”. That may not always be the case is what I am trying to say, not that they are depraved of faith. Mother Teresa, of whom Muggeridge made a movie as I stated “Something Wonderful for God”, suffered in faith if you read her diaries. Mother Teresa herself revealed that at times she lost faith, she suffered spiritually. I believe I have no chance of being even 1/1,000th as holy as her, but there she was, losing faith in God at times, struggling spiritually, “poor in spirit” if you will, but she was blessed by God. Christ could have said “Blessed those of Great Faith” but he meant more: Christ came for the sick, the ones in need of the physician, the “poor in spirit”. O.K. my two cents worth. This is just my opinion as a believer based on what others like Muggeridge have written. That is all.

God Bless You! 🙂
 
Depraved was my word I interjected to mean the sort of person you are speaking of. Getting it from here *"The poor in spirit are the depressed, the ones with significant inferiority complexes so to speak, the ones who may have lost faith in life and God in despair but struggle nevertheless. " * Sorry just now seeing you did mention they struggle nevertheless. And I’m sorry. I’m pretty simple. I understand better the simple way Fr Serpa put’s it as well as the other definition No I haven’t got anything against depression. I’m sorry too if it seems like I do. I think the beatitude is directed towards all of us. And is an example we all must follow.

You make me laugh a little, I don’t really think I’m speaking beyond you Kyiv, but perhaps it’s my own slowness that can’t catch on to what you are trying to drill into my thick head. :o

And depraved was an unfortunate choice of word. sorry
 
Depraved was my word I interjected to mean the sort of person you are speaking of. Getting it from here *"The poor in spirit are the depressed, the ones with significant inferiority complexes so to speak, the ones who may have lost faith in life and God in despair but struggle nevertheless. " * Sorry just now seeing you did mention they struggle nevertheless. And I’m sorry. I’m pretty simple. I understand better the simple way Fr Serpa put’s it as well as the other definition No I haven’t got anything against depression. I’m sorry too if it seems like I do. I think the beatitude is directed towards all of us. And is an example we all must follow.

You make me laugh a little, I don’t really think I’m speaking beyond you Kyiv, but perhaps it’s my own slowness that can’t catch on to what you are trying to drill into my thick head. :o
I am more than willing to wager that my head is thicker than yours, and that I am slower than you. 😛 I started panicking awaiting your response.😉 As I said, I was interpreting as I understood it from others, but of course I agree with Fr. Serpa. I guess I was just trying to emphasize another not mutually exclusive aspect.

Take care!
 
Is “Poor in Spirit” the same as “Humble”?
I think they’re pretty close. I read that humble means thinking of God and others more than you think of yourself. That seems to be a good definition to me.
 
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