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Petergee
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As with the other recently leaked messages, it’s appalling that these diplomats were being wined and dined and paid huge salaries to provide in-depth finger-on-the-pulse analysis, and all they can come up with is idiotic tripe. Even if they had looked on the bookies’ websites they would have seen that Cd Ratzinger was the most likely to become pope. Or at the very least in the top two or three most likely.
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Aramis
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Cardinal Ratzinger was not much of a surprise to anyone but the secularists. And they are, sadly, the public face of the Democratic party… and a significant chunk of the Republicans, too…
The real surprise was the 2 or 3 cardinals who leaked the name of another major candidate: His Beattitude Lubomyr Cardinal Hussar, primate of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.
But the choice of those two as the major candidates implies strongly a look for one who is grounded in tradition, but not looking to “de-Vatican II the Church,” staunchly faithful, staunchly entrenched in solid theology, and able to get things done, as well as be charming when needful, and wrathful when also needful, in a grandfatherly sort of way.
The real surprise was the 2 or 3 cardinals who leaked the name of another major candidate: His Beattitude Lubomyr Cardinal Hussar, primate of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.
But the choice of those two as the major candidates implies strongly a look for one who is grounded in tradition, but not looking to “de-Vatican II the Church,” staunchly faithful, staunchly entrenched in solid theology, and able to get things done, as well as be charming when needful, and wrathful when also needful, in a grandfatherly sort of way.
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Petergee
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Where are you getting that? It’s not in the article.The real surprise was the 2 or 3 cardinals who leaked the name of another major candidate: His Beattitude Lubomyr Cardinal Hussar, primate of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.
The Church has severe penalties for anyone who “leaks” any of the election details of a conclave. And similar penalties for anyone who tries to be a political style “candidate”.
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Aramis
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There were several cardinals discussing who was considered shortly after the conclave. What they have not revealed is how the voting went. Likewise, there were discussions of who had been considered following the election of HH JP II…Where are you getting that? It’s not in the article.
The Church has severe penalties for anyone who “leaks” any of the election details of a conclave. And similar penalties for anyone who tries to be a political style “candidate”.
And regular Canon Law doesn’t provide much on it. The special law isn’t readily available in English, but what it requires is not total secrecy after. It requires total secrecy during. No papal election since the telegraph has not had cardinals discussing who was nominated.
And contender is a loaded term; neither was “running” but both men were apparently on several ballots.
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Petergee
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OK they said a certain cardinal was “considered”. That doesn’t necessarily mean that he got even one vote in one ballot. It certainly doesn’t mean he was “a major candidate” because there’s no such thing, and if there was the “candidate” would be breaking the law.There were several cardinals discussing who was considered shortly after the conclave. What they have not revealed is how the voting went. Likewise, there were discussions of who had been considered following the election of HH JP II…
And regular Canon Law doesn’t provide much on it. The special law isn’t readily available in English, but what it requires is not total secrecy after. It requires total secrecy during. No papal election since the telegraph has not had cardinals discussing who was nominated.
And contender is a loaded term; neither was “running” but both men were apparently on several ballots.
There are no “candidates” and nobody is “nominated”. Each cardinal is free to put the name of ANY adult male Catholic on his voting slip at any ballot.
Some journalists like to speculate about how the voting went, but it is just that pure speculation - they don’t actually know anything except the fact that Cd Ratzinger got at least two thirds of the votes plus one on the last ballot.
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Digitonomy
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Here is the original:
lastampa.it/cmstp/rubriche/girata.asp?ID_articolo=1872&ID_blog=43
Unfortunately the reporter didn’t state whether he got it directly from the Wikileaks site (which doesn’t pull up at the moment), or if it was from The Guardian, El Pais, Le Monde, or Der Spiegel.
lastampa.it/cmstp/rubriche/girata.asp?ID_articolo=1872&ID_blog=43
Unfortunately the reporter didn’t state whether he got it directly from the Wikileaks site (which doesn’t pull up at the moment), or if it was from The Guardian, El Pais, Le Monde, or Der Spiegel.
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