pope against guns. how to respond

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Well I found a previous somewhat related thread and used some info from that to make this response:

"It would be sad if all you ever hear about Catholicism is from non catholic sources. First id like to point out the author of this article really doesn’t understand papal infallibility. It doesn’t mean everything the pope says is true and without error.

I remember when you brought to my attention the article claiming the pope was against capitalism and I showed you how it had nothing to do with him being against capitalism but was dealing pastorally about money becoming an idol. This falls in the same category. The author is creating a very huge straw man based off of tiny snippets taken out of context. Here’s the context of what he said:

“Very often we breathe an air of distrust in life. There are situations that make us think, ‘But is it worth living like this?’. I think of the wars in this world. At times I have said that we are living a third world war, but in pieces. There is war in Europe, there is war in Africa, there is war in the Middle East, there is war in other countries … But can I trust in a life like this? Can I trust world leaders? When I go to vote for a candidate, can I trust that he or she will not take my country to war? If you trust only in men, you have lost! Think of the people, leaders, entrepreneurs, who say they are Christians and then produce weapons! They say one thing and do another. Hypocrisy … But we see what happened during the last century: in 1914, or rather in 1915 precisely. There was the great tragedy in Armenia. Many people died. I do not know how many, but certainly more than a million. Where were the great powers of the time? They looked away. Why? Because they were interested in war: their war! And those who died, they were second class people, human beings. Then, in the 1930s and 1940s, the tragedy of the Shoah. The great powers had photographed the railway lines that carried the trains to the concentration camps, such as Auschwitz, to kill Jews, and also Christians, Roma, homosexuals, to kill them there. But tell me, why did they not bomb them? Interests! And soon after, almost at the same time, there were the lagers in Russia: Stalin … how many Christians suffered and were killed. The great powers divided Europe like a cake. Many years had to pass before reaching a certain ‘freedom’. There is the hypocrisy of speaking about peace and producing arms, and even selling weapons to this one, who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this!”

he was condemning those who make profit from human misery and war, and perpetuate unjust wars for profit, but refuse to intervene militarily in circumstances which would be just, like the Armenian genocide and the Holocaust, because it would not be profitable for them to do so.

Once again the media is on a mission to construe all of what the Pope says. To paint the pope as something else. So I would not take anything you hear about the pope in the news at face value.

The catholic church isn’t against self defense and isn’t against wars in general either (theres a whole doctrine called the Just War doctrine)"

I’ll keep you guys posted if he replies
 
Pretty sure the Swiss Guard is still active which would more or less suggest what is said in the article you linked to isn’t exactly what Pope Francis was meaning at all.
 
Once again the Pope speaks and some here in the US thinks everything he says is directed at them…guns…climate change…capitalism…socialism…capital punishment…etc.it doesn’t matter what he says even some Catholics take it that he is just being critical of the US when in fact as the Vicar of Christ he is speaking to not only the worldwide Catholic community but to the world in general on these and other issues…you only have to look at the gun issue here in the US where some people would only give up their weapons if they were pried out of their cold dead hands or who support capital punishment…whereas probably most if not all other Christian countries in the world don’t have those issues…to understand why the Popes comments meet such opposition among some Catholics ( and others) here in the US.
 
The answer is in the translation. I read the quote in Italian and in context it is clearer that he is referring to what we might call in English the military industrial complex. People who profit from the arms race and war, not my Glock but rather folks who invest in companies that hope for conflict in the world. Hope this helps. Best, Joe
 
So my Baptist brother posted this article

louderwithcrowder.com/pope-francis-says-youre-not-a-christian-if-you-own-a-gun/

How can we respond?
You can tell your Baptist brother to become a better and more critical reader.

The article blatantly twists the Pope’s words by suggesting that anyone who owns a gun has “invested in the weapons industry.”

He’s talking, obviously, about people who get rich making weapons to help people kill each other.

From my perspective, the irrationality and depravity of the contemporary “right wing” is displayed clearly by the fact that they have a problem with condemning arms dealers.

Edwin
 
This may well be related to the end times scenario forming. How do you get peace in the world? No guns no resistance. The U.N. is for disarming the world which Obama/Kerry signed some agreement i believe. :eek: The Pope is in line with the U.N. Gates and Soros are not very friendly people to the general populace. Keep your eyes open.
 
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