Pope and Islam

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Pope Benedict’s problem is not with Islam, which he described as a “valid spiritual foundation for people’s lives” that “seems to have escaped from the hands of old Europe,” meaning Christian Europe, but with perversions of Islam. Which is also the case with President Bush.
 
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Pope Benedict’s problem is not with Islam, which he described as a “valid spiritual foundation for people’s lives” that “seems to have escaped from the hands of old Europe,” meaning Christian Europe, but with perversions of Islam. Which is also the case with President Bush.

:cool: I don’t understand. What are you talking about? Does the Pope fully accept Islam even tho the mulim bible says that The Chrijstion Jesus if a false Jesus and not the son of God and that god is no Father? :tiphat:
 
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:cool: I don’t understand. What are you talking about? Does the Pope fully accept Islam even tho the mulim bible says that The Chrijstion Jesus if a false Jesus and not the son of God and that god is no Father? :tiphat:

I think the Pope is saying that Islam is a “valid spiritual foundation for people’s lives,” which is different from saying that Islam is totally true.🙂
 
Islam leads millions of souls to hell since it was formed by a major evil heretic mohommed. Yes Lylea the evil book does say that Jesus is not God, the same book JP2 kissed.

It is completely invalid and is not a valid source for peoples spiritual lives. This is unbelievable.
 
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Islam leads millions of souls to hell since it was formed by a major evil heretic mohommed. Yes Lylea the evil book does say that Jesus is not God, the same book JP2 kissed.

It is completely invalid and is not a valid source for peoples spiritual lives. This is unbelievable.
JP2 kissed the book to show respect. I wonder if there is any muslim wanted to kiss our bible. :confused: :eek:
 
Nonono. You do not kiss evil for the sake of human respect, Christ completely shunned doing this in scripture.

He said you will be hated by all men for my sake. You do not kiss evil, falsehood, hatred, out of respect for human beings in the name of not being hated.

He could have easily, pushed the book away out of truth without violence. This is what the apostles what of did.

This book contains blasphemy, and he knew what was in there, hes probably read it.

Literal evils against christ.

If you went into a jewish synygouge and they told you to through your cross down out of respect and if not youll be hated, would you do it?

Its not right.
 
The problem is that the Pope authority is not only inclusive to Catholics only. It’s also building a relation between faiths. The way Pope kissed the book (which I also never agree with) only to show respect for what they believe. It doesn’t mean Pope agree and say YES for the beliefs itself. I hope next time Pope will not do anything controversial by kissing that has nothing to do with our faith. Quite fundamental I see but time has changed now. :rolleyes:
 
Cyber night, please dear God listen.

" It is to show respect for what they believe "

They believe christ was a fake cybernight, a liar, not God? How can you respect that?

The church is not supposed to work for interfaith relations, this has been rejected by church teaching forever. they are supposed to (convert) other religions and pray for those to come into our faith.

Peace without (truth) is dead. It truly is.

Look what the saints say about islam, but before I write these you said ( which I never agreed with ) why?

St francis Xavier, may 1546 (because these qoutes are true this topic will surely get delayed)

" The (evil) of Islam was introduced by some Mahometan caicizes, who came from Mecca in Arabia, where the accursed body of Mahomet is honored with great superstition "

John Paul ll, March 21, 2000

" May saint John the baptist (protect) Islam and all of the people of Jordan "

St. Francis of Assisi, 1210 to the muslims

" We have come to preach faith in Christ jesus to you, that you will (renounce) (mahomet), (that wicked slave of the devil), and obtain everlasting life like us "

JPll also thanked Grand Sheikh Mohammed for the (devoling of islamic culture) in 2000

its truly insanely heretical. I honestly do not understand how any of you souls of Christ cannot realize this.
 
I don’t know the official explanation for the kiss, or even if there was an explanation. Maybe it’s an instant in time that he would like to take back.

It shows basic respect for Muslim persons. Sometimes we must show respect even when when there is a chance respect will not be returned to us.

Teaching begins with respect for the pupil.
 
I don’t know if he repented of it either, but I hope he did.

mark a, you can show respect by bowing or by just listening to someone, but kissing evil, you truly know in your conscience is not right. Its like he did it so he would not be hated.

Its not the right way to show respect. It indicates a respect for whats in the book.

You ca respect people without respecting falsehood. everybody I talk to says, i would not do that, but why?

your soul knows evil is in that book.

Its like the same as you meeting someone who has a real big 666 medal hanging on their neck, would yu kiss this out of respect for them?

we will be hated by all men for his sake, and its because saints havedone te opposite of what JP2 did, yet they still loved those souls and prayed for their cnversion but no saint alive wuld kiss that evil book.

I say its evl because is the truth and I dont care who hates me.
 
I think that John Paul II kissed the book simply to acknowledge that there are some things in Islam are true. Not ALL things, obviously, but some things. For example, Islam teaches that idolatry is wrong, which certainly true. It teaches that there is only one God, which is certainly true. It teaches that there is a heaven and a hell, which is certainly true. It teaches that abortion is wrong, which is certainly true. It teaches that Abraham was a holy man who humbly submitted to God, which is certainly true. That was the Pope’s point in kissing it, to acknowledge that there is some truth in Islam. Now, I will admit that he could have been clearer about why he was doing it, but he certainly did NOT do it to show “respect” for those teachings that go against Christianity. His actions, I would argue, are similar to how St. Paul favorably quoted from a pagan scripture in Acts to prove his point (I forget which chapter and verse this happened in.)

Anyone who would argue otherwise has never read the Pope’s book “Crossing the Threashold of Hope.” He talks about Islam in that book, and is very blunt in saying where it is wrong. In fact, in all honesty, I was quite shocked (pleasantly) at how blunt John Paul II was when I first read it.

In case anyone is skeptical, let me quote what John Paul II himself has actually said about Islam:

"Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which is completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God’s self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside.

“Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the world, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection. Jesus is mentioned, but only as a prophet who prepares for the last prophet, Muhammed. There is also mention of Mary, His Virgin Mother, but the tragedy of redemption is completely absent. For this reason not only the theology but also the anthropology of Islam is very distant from Christianity.”

This is a very blunt, honest assessment of the theological problems with Islam. And this same pontiff also kissed the Koran, so I don’t think anyone can seriously argue that in doing so, he was trying to show “respect” for those religious opinions. Rather, he was simply acknowledging that there is some truth to the Islamic religion. In my opinion, John Paul II did a very good job of balancing respecting and admiring what is true in other religions, while at the same time confronting what is false and contrary to Christ’s teachings in those other religions.
 
And with regard to John Paul II’s prayer to St. John the Baptist to “protect Islam,” I’m willing to wager anything that this was meant to refer to the Islamic people and not to the Islamic religion, or if it was referring to Islam, then it was referring to things that are good in it, or its culture, like architecture, etc. Or it could have been a mistranslation of what he actually said (was the prayer in English)?

You cannot say that John Paul II actually prayed for the protection of Islamic ideas themselves without also saying that he blatantly contradicted himself on major occasions. This is because in his Encyclical “Mission of the Redeemer,” he makes it quite clear that all those who willingly and knowingly reject Christ and His teachings are damned.

“While respecting the beliefs and sensitivities of all, we must first clearly affirm our faith in Christ, the one Savior of mankind, a faith we have received as a gift from on high, not as a result of any merit of our own.” He says this in the context of answering whether or not missionary activity is justified. In other words, while respecting the beliefs of others, it is also our duty to show them the Truth in Christ. Thus, the way in which he uses “respect” here CANNOT mean admiration for those things false or opposed to Christ, for that would then destroy the purpose of evangelizing in the first place. Rather, by “respect,” he no doubt means how to deal with people who hold to those beliefs. One should approach such beliefs with as much charity as possible, but point out where they are wrong. As Fulton J. Sheen once said, “Love is not tolerance.”
 
I think Pope John Paul made the statement after a public blessing at a prayer service commemorating the Baptism of Jesus at Wadi al-Kharrar in the Jordan Valley. This took place on March 21, 2000.
I will keep all the people of Jordan — Christians and Muslims — in my prayers, especially the sick and the elderly. With gratitude I invoke abundant blessings upon His Highness the King and upon the whole nation. God bless you all! God bless Jordan!
After the blessing the Pope said:
May St John the Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan, and all who participated in this celebration, a memorable celebration. I’m very grateful to all of you. Thank you very much.
catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=2677
 
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