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santoaugustine
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Check out this clip from the Glen Beck Show–very interesting.
web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=20177695&topic_id&v=3
web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=20177695&topic_id&v=3
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St_Francis
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I wish he would stop calling the newly-raised Cardinals “conservative,” they are *orthodox! *
Also, he talked as if there was no (name removed by moderator)ut from the Holy Spirit with the choosing of the new pope, talking about “packing” the Cardinaliate in order to ensure that the next pope would be “conservative.”
It’s not the US Government!
But for someone who seems to know nothing about the Faith (altho he says he was baptized and raised Catholic) at least he mentioned the essnce: that this is between good and evil.
Also, he talked as if there was no (name removed by moderator)ut from the Holy Spirit with the choosing of the new pope, talking about “packing” the Cardinaliate in order to ensure that the next pope would be “conservative.”
It’s not the US Government!
But for someone who seems to know nothing about the Faith (altho he says he was baptized and raised Catholic) at least he mentioned the essnce: that this is between good and evil.
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AdDeum
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I think he is right about something. I do believe that we are in a Spiritual War right now… against the Evil One. He sees it as Obama, Hillary, etc. waging this war. But, ultimately, they are just pawns (allbeit, very powerful pawns in this earthly world), doing Satan’s bidding. As well as the secular media.
Satan knows… He has to take down the Catholic Church… the Church established by Christ himself…
Satan knows… He has to take down the Catholic Church… the Church established by Christ himself…
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TimothyH
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Once again, the Catholic Church must save Protestantism from itself.
They who permitted their own congregations to use contraception, and taught that it was not a sin to do so, and those who council that abortion is not always murder, and who ordain homosexual priests and Bishops - they are the ones who caused this whole problem with the HHS mandate. They are the ones who caused the whole need for their self proclaimed “Spiritual war” to preserve religious liberty.
The Protestant Churches permitted contraception and abortion in the first place, and now they hide behind the Holy Father’s cassock when religious liberty is threatened, cheering about how conservative the Pope is and that the Bishops will be the saviors of the world. Now Catholicism is left to defeat the HHS mandate, and when we do so, the Protestant Churches will cheer that it is a victory for the first ammendment and for religious freedom.
But guess what?
They didn’t listen to the Bishops and the Holy Father when the Anglican Church began teaching that contraception was not a sin in 1930. They didn’t listen to the Bishops and the Holy Father when Humanae Vitae came out in 1968. They didn’t listen to the Bishops and the Holy Father when abortion was legalized in the United States in 1970. And they will not listen after this fight is over, when the Holy Catholic Church says again, “Abortion is murder and contraception is a sin.” They will go right back to teaching their congregations that it is OK to get vasecomies and that dismembering infants and sucking their body parts into jars is not a grave evil.
They won’t listen, and they won’t repent, and they won’t admit that the Holy Father and the Holy Catholic Church was right all along, because it is not about religious liberty, but about sin and the fact that their congregations are being lied to.
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They who permitted their own congregations to use contraception, and taught that it was not a sin to do so, and those who council that abortion is not always murder, and who ordain homosexual priests and Bishops - they are the ones who caused this whole problem with the HHS mandate. They are the ones who caused the whole need for their self proclaimed “Spiritual war” to preserve religious liberty.
The Protestant Churches permitted contraception and abortion in the first place, and now they hide behind the Holy Father’s cassock when religious liberty is threatened, cheering about how conservative the Pope is and that the Bishops will be the saviors of the world. Now Catholicism is left to defeat the HHS mandate, and when we do so, the Protestant Churches will cheer that it is a victory for the first ammendment and for religious freedom.
But guess what?
They didn’t listen to the Bishops and the Holy Father when the Anglican Church began teaching that contraception was not a sin in 1930. They didn’t listen to the Bishops and the Holy Father when Humanae Vitae came out in 1968. They didn’t listen to the Bishops and the Holy Father when abortion was legalized in the United States in 1970. And they will not listen after this fight is over, when the Holy Catholic Church says again, “Abortion is murder and contraception is a sin.” They will go right back to teaching their congregations that it is OK to get vasecomies and that dismembering infants and sucking their body parts into jars is not a grave evil.
They won’t listen, and they won’t repent, and they won’t admit that the Holy Father and the Holy Catholic Church was right all along, because it is not about religious liberty, but about sin and the fact that their congregations are being lied to.
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TrueLight
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That’s one way of looking at it.
Let’s not forget that when Humanae Vitae came out, Catholic Bishops themselves openly objected to it.
I prefer to hope that God will use this new found solidarity (although short-lived) to open up the eyes of some Protestants so that they come home to the Church which Christ founded.
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corsair
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Amen, to that, Truelight.
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santoaugustine
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I agree–orthodox is a more appropriate term rather than conservative—I also, agree that The Holy Spirit works through the Cardinals during the conclave to choose the appropriate successor to St. Peter–but with that said, would you rather have the whole College of Cardinals (the possible future Pope) people like Cardinal Ratzinger and Cardinal Dolan or the recently retired Arch-Bishop of Los Angeles? I think it is clear what Pope Benedict XVI is doing—He is attempting to have like minded princes of The Church, that upon his death, whoever is chosen to be the next pontiff, will guide The Church in the right direction.
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TrueLight
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Very. From his lips to God’s ears.
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St_Francis
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I don’t really understand this question; possibly because I don’t know of major differences between Archbishop Mahony–about whom I know very little-- and Cardinals Dolan and Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI).
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TS_Aquinas
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How shall we put this lightly… he was a mistake (and that is being as kind as possible) and still is as Bishop Gomez is plagued with his presence still when he took an office two doors down from him. One of his mistakes was letting go of Cathedral of Saint Vibiana, which it’s memory is defied by becoming a performing arts center, and moving into the travesty known as crystal cathedral. Which was purchased at a ridiculous cost, a number that far exceeded the restoration costs for Saint Vibiana. Also, he’s known by the Vatican to be a rebel of proper liturgical protocol and fought tooth and nail against the practice of the EF in his diocese, even imposed on religious orders. And had/has a particular dislike for the Norbertines in his diocese, whom are growing at a such an extraordinary rate in vocations they literally have no more room. There’s a laundry list I can go through, which santoaugustine can probably expound on, but simply, he’s pretty much the antithesis of traditional Catholicism (which is a redundancy in terms.) And I live in a neighboring diocese, you can imagine the spiritual hardship those that actually lived and live in it. Hopefully Bishop Gomez will undo the damage, as he has already hinted in his homilies and statements. Poor man can’t even use direct language without starting a fire or hearing from the mistake that took office two doors down his (now you know why Bishop Mahoney sought that office intentionally.)
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St_Francis
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I think I misunderstood what you were saying… you seemed to be implying that I was against the Pope’s raising orthodox bishops to the Cardinalate, but actually I am very pleased that he is doing so. We need strong Catholic leadership in the Church.
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Brendan
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I would say it is more that the Holy Spirit can work, but it will always be a matter of Free Will.
The Cardinals are free to elect anyone, what the Holy Spirit does is insure that whomever the Cardinals elect will not bind the Church to error.
Look at the example of the Borgia Popes. Corrupt and sinful in deed, but they taught no error.
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uni_embrace
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Roman Catholics, in general, are under attack in modern society. Just witness how trendy an issue same sex marriage has become. It’s becoming like the “Hula Hoop” of our age
Here in Australia it has become the latest rage with all the celebrities getting involved.
Orthodox (as in traditional) Catholic is the only type of Roman Catholic.
Isn’t the term “liberal Catholic” a contradiction in terms?
Here in Australia it has become the latest rage with all the celebrities getting involved.
Orthodox (as in traditional) Catholic is the only type of Roman Catholic.
Isn’t the term “liberal Catholic” a contradiction in terms?
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Veronica97
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*Once again, the Catholic Church must save Protestantism from itself.
They who permitted their own congregations to use contraception, and taught that it was not a sin to do so, and those who council that abortion is not always murder, and who ordain homosexual priests and Bishops - they are the ones who caused this whole problem with the HHS mandate. They are the ones who caused the whole need for their self proclaimed “Spiritual war” to preserve religious liberty.
The Protestant Churches permitted contraception and abortion in the first place, and now they hide behind the Holy Father’s cassock when religious liberty is threatened, cheering about how conservative the Pope is and that the Bishops will be the saviors of the world. Now Catholicism is left to defeat the HHS mandate, and when we do so, the Protestant Churches will cheer that it is a victory for the first ammendment and for religious freedom.
You have some valid points. But I’ll give Glen Beck credit: it’s refreshing to see the Protestant churches standing behind the Catholic church when She is so often ridiculed and condemned. This may indeed be a “wake up call” for many Protestants that we are indeed all CHRISTIANS and as such we need to “back each other up” when it comes to something as serious as religious freedom. I think Glen showed respect for the Catholic church, and his example has undoubtedly caused some others to be more respectful. We need to band together on the issues that we can agree on, including religious freedom, abortion, and gay marriage. There is strength in numbers.
They who permitted their own congregations to use contraception, and taught that it was not a sin to do so, and those who council that abortion is not always murder, and who ordain homosexual priests and Bishops - they are the ones who caused this whole problem with the HHS mandate. They are the ones who caused the whole need for their self proclaimed “Spiritual war” to preserve religious liberty.
The Protestant Churches permitted contraception and abortion in the first place, and now they hide behind the Holy Father’s cassock when religious liberty is threatened, cheering about how conservative the Pope is and that the Bishops will be the saviors of the world. Now Catholicism is left to defeat the HHS mandate, and when we do so, the Protestant Churches will cheer that it is a victory for the first ammendment and for religious freedom.
You have some valid points. But I’ll give Glen Beck credit: it’s refreshing to see the Protestant churches standing behind the Catholic church when She is so often ridiculed and condemned. This may indeed be a “wake up call” for many Protestants that we are indeed all CHRISTIANS and as such we need to “back each other up” when it comes to something as serious as religious freedom. I think Glen showed respect for the Catholic church, and his example has undoubtedly caused some others to be more respectful. We need to band together on the issues that we can agree on, including religious freedom, abortion, and gay marriage. There is strength in numbers.
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curlycool89
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Uh, you’re crossing your explanations a little bit.
While it is true that the Archdiocese of LA moved out of the Cathedral of Saint Vibiana, the Crystal Cathedral was bought by the Diocese of Orange, not the Archdiocese of LA (I know, it’s confusing when 1 city has more then 1 diocese).
Also, the decision on Crystal Cathedral was post-Cardinal Mahony in any case.
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TS_Aquinas
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Thanks for the correction curly, Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral was the change in L.A. Equally horrific in design of crystal Cathedral (though, can’t blame Orange diocese for the design since it was built by Protestants), as some have put it “looks like a parking structure.” Keep thinking about Ecclesiastical province of Los Angeles is overseen by the LA Bishop and Orange being a suffragan diocese. And that reminds me of another correction, the Norbertines are located in Orange as well, not in LA’s diocese. I keep thinking of their satellite chapel in LA and the province in general, though they received the same resistance from Bishop Mahoney and still from Bishop Brown.
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Chatter163
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Chatter163
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A good point about Crystal Cathedral. However, unlike New York City, parts of which do exist in two dioceses (the Archdiocese of New York and the Diocese of Brooklyn), the City of Los Angeles and Los Angeles County both exist entirely within one diocese, which is the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. The Diocese of Orange is based in another city and County, which is the City of Orange, located in Orange County, to the south of Los Angeles.
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Moore11
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Geesh Glenn. Come home already…
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Big_Feet
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Hasn’t this been the case for the Church since Christ established it?
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