Pope approves barring gay seminarians

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ByzCath:
Would be nice to read the whole article but I will not register.
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part ofthe article says…

The text, which was approved by Pope Benedict at the end of August, says that homosexual men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers.
 
I can’t say enough how relieved I am to hear this news!!!
 
So when does the ‘cleansing’ begin offically?

I can understand there are to be an intense set of questions and conditions that each seminary needs to follow.
What to say, WHO is goning to make sure that these tasks are being fulfilled? You know some of the Liberal Bishops are gonna try to ‘squeek by’ the regulations.
 
NO cleansing or removal!!

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Priests who have already been ordained, if they suffer from homosexual impulses, are strongly urged to renew their dedication to chastity, and a manner of life appropriate to the priesthood.
 
sighs I can’t say I’m happy about this, but I understand the Vatican has to do what the vatican has to do, and I support them fully in it. When the public is crying out for a Vatican response to the abuse crisis, and 81% of the abusive priests were homosexual, what else can the Vatican do? And yet the people are going to cry foul on this as soon as it hits the media. People need to learn not to demand something unless they actually want it.

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sighs I can’t say I’m happy about this, but I understand the Vatican has to do what the vatican has to do, and I support them fully in it. When the public is crying out for a Vatican response to the abuse crisis, and 81% of the abusive priests were homosexual, what else can the Vatican do? And yet the people are going to cry foul on this as soon as it hits the media. People need to learn not to demand something unless they actually want it.

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I don’t believe this is a matter of what people have been demanding but rather what needed to be done.
The message is loud and clear.
And yes I expect the media to play this one to the hilt. We as Catholic need to stand and weather the storm. Pray to God.
 
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contemplative:
part ofthe article says…

The text, which was approved by Pope Benedict at the end of August, says that homosexual men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder which detracts from their ability to serve as ministers.
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This changes nothing.

This statement is to placate those who are crying out for such a thing.

That is, unless the document contains an offical definition of what “homosexual men” are.
 
I still don’t like it. A man suffering from SSA shouldn’t be punished. I’d understand if the seminarian is prancing around as an “outed” homosexual and insisting on speaking out in favor of gay marriage and things like that, but why should a young man who’s quietly praying to overcome SSA be denied his calling to the priesthood?
 
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ByzCath:
This changes nothing.
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In who’s mind?
The Instruction does not represent a change in Church teaching or policy. Catholic leaders have consistently taught that homosexual men should not be ordained to the priesthood. Pope John XXIII approved a formal policy to that effect, which still remains in effect. However, during the 1970s and 1980s, that policy was widely ignored, particularly in North America. The resulting crisis in the priesthood-- in which one prominent American commentator observed that the priesthood was coming to be seen as a “gay” profession-- prompted Pope John Paul II to call for a new study on the question
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Hopefully, this will be heard here in the states and acted upon.
That is, unless the document contains an offical definition of what “homosexual men” are.
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Is that the loophole many have jumped through? If so, it is a very flimsy loophole…and that sounds like it is collasping.
 
Well I don’t like it. It is going to have just as many neagtive affects as it shall have positive. I am very dissapointed.
 
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Libero:
Well I don’t like it. It is going to have just as many neagtive affects as it shall have positive. I am very dissapointed.
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What do you see the negative effects being? People leaving the Church? A faithful Catholic Christian would never leave the Church. Media potraying the Church in a bad light? This has always happened, and if you are going to walk in the ways of Christ, prepare to be persecuted.
 
What do you see the negative effects being? People leaving the Church? A faithful Catholic Christian would never leave the Church. Media potraying the Church in a bad light? This has always happened, and if you are going to walk in the ways of Christ, prepare to be persecuted.
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But the problem is that banning homosexuals is not necessrially walking in the way of christ, is it? I do expect alot of negative media, Dignity in particular will issue some strong responses, also what is going to happen when particular bishops and cardinals speak out against this ban, what if some ignore it; that will cause disruption.

Also, I have heard that the pope himself may not sign the ban, but rather a cardinal, as the vatican are keen to try and soften the pope’s image.
 
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Jabronie:
I still don’t like it. A man suffering from SSA shouldn’t be punished. I’d understand if the seminarian is prancing around as an “outed” homosexual and insisting on speaking out in favor of gay marriage and things like that, but why should a young man who’s quietly praying to overcome SSA be denied his calling to the priesthood?
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I fully agree! This whole arguement isn’t about ordaining homosexuals, but trying to decide who God has chosen to be a priest. Personally, I’m not going to make that call. If a man feels that he is called by God to be a priest, then who’s to tell him he isn’t?

I love the Pope, but I’m sorry to say that this time, I think he got it wrong.

Scout :tiphat:
 
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Libero:
But the problem is that banning homosexuals is not necessrially walking in the way of christ, is it?
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Necessarily? Who knows. But let me relate it like this:

It would seem unreasonable to let a known alcoholic to serve as a bartender, am I correct?

Again, wouldn’t you agree that it would be unreasonable to allow a known pedophile to be a youth minister?

If 85% of all sexual abuse in the last 30-40 years was done to males (showing the vast majority of occurances are homosexual offences), it would seem unreasonable to allow known homosexuals to be Priests.

If certain Bishops/Priests/religious/etc were to speak against the Church on this matter, one would have to question their motives.
 
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