Pope Benedict 16 and Radical Traditionalists

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Marie said:
😃 Actually I prefer the term Pope Benedict XVI uses in speaking of them…Pope Benedict has also been critical of the ā€œright,ā€ particularly followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. He has called the positions of such **ultra-traditionalists **ā€œabsurd.ā€

:confused: Presuming you mean SSPX, I was under the impression that they are Catholics with valid priests offering valid mass and valid sacraments. The mass being the liturgy attended by saints and martyrs of the Catholic Church.

It seems only to be unkind and inaccurate comments like the above that would attempt to make them ultra anything.

It doesn’t bode well.
 
judicame said:
:confused: Presuming you mean SSPX, I was under the impression that they are Catholics with valid priests offering valid mass and valid sacraments. The mass being the liturgy attended by saints and martyrs of the Catholic Church.

It seems only to be unkind and inaccurate comments like the above that would attempt to make them ultra anything.

It doesn’t bode well.

SSPX is excommunicated, so while their ordinations may be valid, they are illicit, and attending their Mass and receiving sacraments their is also illicit.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
SSPX is excommunicated, so while their ordinations may be valid, they are illicit, and attending their Mass and receiving sacraments their is also illicit.
Valid but illicit.:hmmm:

It’s the individual Catholics I pray for particularly. Having to worry every time you assist mass that you are valid but illicit must be a distressing burden.

They must be very devoted.
 
I think that is needed for this pope or the next,a traditional patriarchate, we need parishes in all parts of world who have a bishop and this depend of the Pope, without the bishops“ opinion
 
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judicame:
Valid but illicit.:hmmm:

It’s the individual Catholics I pray for particularly. Having to worry every time you assist mass that you are valid but illicit must be a distressing burden.

They must be very devoted.
Ecclesia Dei by Msgr Emille Perl:
the priests of the Society of St. Pius X [valid - but]… suspended ā€œa divinisā€, that is prohibited by the Church from exercising their orders because of their illicit ordination.

The Masses … are also valid, but it is considered morally illicit for the faithful to participate in these Masses unless they are physically or morally impeded from participating in a Mass celebrated by a Catholic priest in good standing…not being able to assist at the … the so-called ā€œTridentineā€ Mass is not considered a sufficient motive for attending such Masses. While it is true that the participation in the Mass and sacraments at [SSPX chapels] does not of itself constitute ā€œformal adherence to the schismā€, such adherence can come about over a period of time as one slowly imbibes a mentality which separates itself from the magisterium of the Supreme Pontiff… Father Peter R. Scott, … deplores the ā€œliberalismā€ of ā€œthose who refuse to condemn the New Mass as absolutely offensive to God, or the religious liberty and ecumenism of the postconcilliar church.ā€

With such an attitude the Society of St. Pius X is effectively tending to establish its own canons of orthodoxy and hence to separate itself from the magisterium of the Supreme Pontiff… such ā€œrefusal of submission… or the communion of the members of the Church subject to himā€ constitute schism. Hence we cannot encourage your participation in the Masses, the sacraments or other services conducted under the aegis of the Society of St. Pius X.
 
Ahhh,

I see I’m going to have to get to grips with chapter and verse on this issue, so that if I come accross a Catholic on their way to assist the mass their family has assisted for generations I can scandalize their Catholic faith.šŸ˜‰ šŸ˜‰ šŸ˜‰
 
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Maranatha:
Will Pope Benedict XVI bring SSPX and other radical traditionalist back to the Church?
I’ve been wondering the same thing ever since I heard the news Cardinal Ratzinger was elected Pope. Seeing as how he was the one that signed the protocol agreement with Archbishop Lefebvre, I have my doubts… though I suppose his first hand knowledge of the problem, combined with his great advocacy of the traditional Mass, couldn’t hurt.

Though I also don’t think ALL of the SSPX hierarchy will ever come home to Rome… some of the statements made by Bishop Williamson and others seem so far gone that, unless they experience a radical conversion, it’s not likely.
 
The Vatican II proclamation that Muslims worship the same God as us IS a radical break with the past.
in as much as the muslims intend to worship the God of abraham, jacob, and moses, they are worshiping the same God. they just do not possess the fullness of the truth. why is there a problem?
 
John_19_59 said:
(FYI, RE:Fatima - It’s a PRIVATE revelation folks, you aren’t even required to believe it. Let this whole issue with the secrets of Fatima rest.)

We its nice to know that when God works his grandest miracle in 2000 years we can safely ignore it.

Fatima won’t rest - it can’t - it isn’t finished yet.

The Holy Father has yet to consecrate Russia.

Maybe when the persecution starts to bite things will look different.

For the Holy Father having yet to consecrate Russia (Not convinced he hasn’t though), things have been looking up for the Catholic Church there as of late ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=55816

A thread I begun on the poll if you wish to debate, though I’m sure you don’t forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=51147

But I agree the persecutions have start to bite, perhaps just not from the place you expected.
 
in as much as the muslims intend to worship the God of abraham, jacob, and moses, they are worshiping the same God. they just do not possess the fullness of the truth. why is there a problem?

There is a problem because the God of Abraham, Jacob and Moses DID NOT send the Angel Gabriel to Mohammed to dictate his word - his word which explicitly denies Our Lords divinity, death and resurrection.

That is a fairly major problem.

We do not worship the same God - ask any Muslim.

It IS a radical teaching from Vatican II not to be found in any Church teaching before 1965.

Based on that alone one has to suspect the rest of Vatican II.

The Traditionalists do have some good points to make if you care to listen.

Take off the blind obedience spectacles and see the indifference modern day Catholics have to their own and other religions.
 
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