Pope Benedict the XVI & the US

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How many bishops in the USCCB would share Benedict XVI’s views on the Liturgy and on gender inclusive language?

How L o n g will it be before they can send a liturgy to Rome that will be barely acceptable?

I don’t think the Pope expects countries to be perfect. He only wishes that most of their bishops would try to be in union with the Holy See.

Is that too much for him to wish for?
 
chicago said:
In fact, we’re essentially a Calvinistic culture, with relation to Catholicism often only in accidentals or via our immigrants who are hanging on to that which they had in the old country.
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The US may have been a Calvinistic country at one time, but now the USA simply pays lip service to Christian values and is rather secular. That isn’t to say that there are not good, charitable Christians in the US. It is to say that you won’t find many of them on Wall Street, or inside the Beltway, or in Hollywood.
 
abelville said:
One even pointed out that he did not wish the United States (and some other English speaking countries) a happy Easter this year.
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Oh Lord, like he has to mention the US by name for it to know it’s important to him or something? The US is the richest, loudest, most ubiquitous nation on the planet, as if anyone could ignore it!

He probably just wanted to let the smaller and poorer but no less faithful countries know he’s thinking of 'em :love:
 
I don’t think the Holy Father is being cold to the US. Right now the rest of the world needs him more. Besides, the US is not a Catholic country, except for the Bible Belt it’s not even much of a Christian coutnry anymore either.
 
Isn’t he pro the TLM and the western Latin rite so i think he is considering our feelings as diverse as they are over here, a long way from ROME. Dessert

“Be Jesus, Share Jesus” Mother Teresa
 
He’s openly critical of capitalism as a social order, quietly critical of democracy as a whole, and seems an odd mix of Conservative and progressive WRT the liturgy.

Keep in mind, he was Pope JPII’s right hand man. He’s been the hatchet man on those who wouldn’t reform to meet the new norms.

He has, however, brought a different, quieter kind of spirituality forward. JPII was openly Marian in his devotions, pushing Marian devotion to points where it drove some to leave the church. Benedict is FAR less such, but also is drawing on more meditative subcultures within the church… The pendulum swings…
 
Right now the Pope is contemplating some key episcopal appointments in several dioceses. One of them is Baltimore and that’ll be a key, especially since that has two seminaries and has escaped much priestly scandals of the last few decades.
 
Aramis said:
He’s openly critical of capitalism as a social order, quietly critical of democracy as a whole, and seems an odd mix of Conservative and progressive WRT the liturgy.

Keep in mind, he was Pope JPII’s right hand man. He’s been the hatchet man on those who wouldn’t reform to meet the new norms.

He has, however, brought a different, quieter kind of spirituality forward. JPII was openly Marian in his devotions, pushing Marian devotion to points where it drove some to leave the church. Benedict is FAR less such, but also is drawing on more meditative subcultures within the church… The pendulum swings…
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To be fair, though, JPII did a good job of stabilizing the Church in his many years. Yes, he did move somewhat progressively in many areas but that was in response to so many abuses and exodus of Catholics, especially in places like South America. BXVI has an agenda leaning toward the traditional a little more, and, since he was elected by a College of Cardinals who knew the type of individual he was, his work shouldn’t be going entirely unsupported.
 
BobP123 said:
To be fair, though, JPII did a good job of stabilizing the Church in his many years. Yes, he did move somewhat progressively in many areas but that was in response to so many abuses and exodus of Catholics, especially in places like South America. BXVI has an agenda leaning toward the traditional a little more, and, since he was elected by a College of Cardinals who knew the type of individual he was, his work shouldn’t be going entirely unsupported.
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Marx used the term “progressive” in a meaningful sense. His theory was that history goes in stages, driven by changes in the means of production and the economic interests of different social classes. Those who tried to defend social institutions relevant to a previous stage were “reactionary”, those who wanted ones consisted with the coming stage “progressive”.

However the term has become misused to mean “trendy” or “liberal”. I don’t think there is any sense in trying to apply it to John Paul II, unless you are a Marxist yourself. We all get to the future at the rate of twenty-four hours a day, and left-wing trendies are neither good people (as a general rule), nor totally wrong about everything.
 
I think Pope Benedict XVI is watching us very closely and sees the diverse Catholics (USA) that we are. Diverse in our mannerisms but carefully scrutinizing if we are staying to the rules.

I don’t think he wants to destroy anything Pope John Paul II did just fine tune it. As some music needs it’s instruments tuned once in a while. I have been back to my Catholic roots and can see that things do need a little tuning as only speaking as one hav ecome from the outside and can see a little problem. When I first returned it was a culture shock but now I can see the wonderful diversity as in a culture, a multi colorful painting. Dessert
Guide me by your wisdom, correct me with your justice, comfort me with your mercy, protect me with your power. *Pope Clement XI
 
Being a sort-of recent convert from protestantism, I’m ignorant of a lot still. I want to thank you all for giving me an education here. I’m learning a lot!!

God Bless!

Al
 
Pope Benedict the XVI did speak out against Moral Relativism, which is so prevalent in the United States, and pretty much around the world. The culture in the United States has a ripple effect around the world, and the Pope and others, like Peter Kreeft, are trying to make people aware of the effects of todays popular culture on the morals of our current society.

beliefnet.com/story/165/story_16549_1.html
npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4618049

peterkreeft.com/audio/05_relativism/relativism_transcription.htm
 
abelville said:
Should he though judge the whole nation though? I’m not saying he is, but it feels like it. I talk to many Catholics who really want to follow Rome’s teachings all the way. It hurts to want to please papa, when the feeling is that he doesn’t want to accept us because of where we were born.

Al:(
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I don’t think that’s the case, but he doesn’t think America is the Center of the Universe.

Americans should just get over this.

Edwin
 
Actually I read in a secular newspaper that the Pope will be working on the USA this coming year. He will replace “Bad” bishops with holy and loyal (to Church) bishops. I think that John Paul II set out the foundation of love and this Pope is now taking that foundation and making sure the flock knows the true teachings. This will take time, as we all know, God’s time is different than ours. I think we will see amazing things happening in the coming months. I think he considers our country where the culture of death is thriving. We need to change this and our country will change. Catholics are the only united voice in this crazy world. We can do it!!!

God Bless the Pope!
 
I sure hope he roots out the bad bishops touting heresy, soon! And helps restore the Holy Catholic Church in American to a more Orthodox and Traditional Church, less riddle with abuse, and heresy, and to better catechize all the Catholic youth so as to let them spread Christ’s word, and the Holy Catholic Faith, not slide into the Heresies of Protestantism, or Mormonism. Hope he’ll help the bishops to encourage the TLM, and a more devout, reverent and Traditional style Novus Ordo Missae Mass. I’m just speaking my mind, here that’s all.😃
 
We are the center of the World that is why he should pay attention to us.
Look see this map
world-atlas.us/ Scroll down a bit…
There at the center United States, it is all about us.
(now back to reality outside the United States)

I believe the Pope does care about the Catholics in the United States, yet he has so many problems to worry about he needs to focus on the horrible condition the Church is in.
The Catholic Church has to rebuild and confront all the problems that are eating it up outside and inside the Church and the Pope has to keep it all together.
It is a tremendous job, extremely difficult and an awesome responsibility.

We have to worry about taxes, our family our pets our salvation. The Pope has a little more to worry about and we should just pray that he can fight against the wacky Priests and Bishops, Society, the Media and everyone else who is trying to destroy or remake the Church, all the while without causing a revolt.

In Christ
Scylla
 
Contarini said:
I don’t think that’s the case, but he doesn’t think America is the Center of the Universe.

Americans should just get over this.

Edwin
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My question and intents is obviously far from “Center of the Universe”. Its more just a sense of belonging.
 
We are all part of the Catholic Church and the Pope does care for us, it just is that he is different from John Paul II. He seems to know the problems are out there and is working on fixing them.
So he is going to spend a lot more time fixing problems.
I think we as Catholics in the United States need to think of ourselves as Roman Catholics as opposed to “American Catholics.”

I am sure he will get to the United States, maybe it is just all the negative talking that people do about the Pope over here that makes him more quiet about the United States.

I think he sees the world more as areas of Catholics than just nations, we would be part of the Americas.

There is a mindset in my diocese that we are “American Catholics”. I live in a pretty liberal diocese, but it seems to be getting more in line, as people realize that liberal Catholicism is morally and spiritually bankrupt.

God Bless
Scylla
 
scylla said:
There is a mindset in my diocese that we are “American Catholics”. I live in a pretty liberal diocese, but it seems to be getting more in line, as people realize that liberal Catholicism is morally and spiritually bankrupt.

God Bless
Scylla
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Unfortunately we belong to some synod of bishops, which, I believe, is based on geography and borders. There is this Vatican II thing called collegiality which gives almost equal footing to these bishops with respect to the Pope. However the Pope still dictates the composition of these synods.

AmChurch, as it is affectionately referred to, has not been declared schismatic, though some see it as that as it because of its various disagreements with and apparent disobedience of the Pope.
 
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