Pope Benedict XVI and voting pro-life

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My brother-in-law just called me, furious about a homily (probably a sermon) where his priest told the people that it is okay to vote pro-choice if the other issues outweigh the life issue.

His upset was that in his mind, nothing outweighs life and in his words, “the priest gave carte blanche to vote pro-choice.”

I personally agree and I told him that while it’s true that each voter must vote based on his (well-formed) conscience, weighing all the issues, however, if there is at least one candidates who believe in life, the other issues come second.

His issue is that the priest also said that the Pope endorses this position. (That pro-life can come second when evaluating a candidate.) I think it’s extremely unlikely, but I wanted to ask you experts.

My question is, did the Pope say something like this? And if so, where?

Thanks!
 
My brother-in-law just called me, furious about a homily (probably a sermon) where his priest told the people that it is okay to vote pro-choice if the other issues outweigh the life issue.

His upset was that in his mind, nothing outweighs life and in his words, “the priest gave carte blanche to vote pro-choice.”

I personally agree and I told him that while it’s true that each voter must vote based on his (well-formed) conscience, weighing all the issues, however, if there is at least one candidates who believe in life, the other issues come second.

His issue is that the priest also said that the Pope endorses this position. (That pro-life can come second when evaluating a candidate.) I think it’s extremely unlikely, but I wanted to ask you experts.

My question is, did the Pope say something like this? And if so, where?

Thanks!
It sounds like either your brother-in-law is misrepresenting what the priest said, or the priest misrepresented (I’m guessing) then-Cardinal Ratzinger’s note: Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion General Principles by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (note the parenthesis at the end).
A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.
It is not “okay to vote pro-choice”. But it is legitimate to vote for a candidate whose pro-choice views you disagree with for proportionate reasons other than those views.

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It sounds like either your brother-in-law is misrepresenting what the priest said, or the priest misrepresented (I’m guessing) then-Cardinal Ratzinger’s note: Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion General Principles by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (note the parenthesis at the end).

It is not “okay to vote pro-choice”. But it is legitimate to vote for a candidate whose pro-choice views you disagree with for proportionate reasons other than those views.

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But that’s presumably exactly what the priest was saying. I’m sure he wasn’t saying that it’s OK to vote for a pro-choice candidate *because *he or she is pro-choice.

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But that’s presumably exactly what the priest was saying. I’m sure he wasn’t saying that it’s OK to vote for a pro-choice candidate *because *he or she is pro-choice.
But that’s not what was reported, which is why I give everyone along the way – jpusateri, the brother-in-law, and the priest – the benefit of the doubt about how they have been represented. What was reported (with emphasis) was:
My brother-in-law just called me, furious about a homily (probably a sermon) where his priest told the people that it is okay to vote pro-choice if the other issues outweigh the life issue.
I repeat: It is not “okay to vote pro-choice”. But it can be legitimate to vote for a candidate who holds those views.

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It is not “okay to vote pro-choice”. But it is legitimate to vote for a candidate whose pro-choice views you disagree with for proportionate reasons other than those views.

tee
You can ONLY vote for a pro-choice canidate IF they are running against anothe pro-choice canidate. then you are either to choose the canidate who is less pro-abortion or not vote at all. Proportinality ONLY applies to abortion. No issue or combination of issues trumps abortion.:

"Responding to requests to clarify the obligations of Catholics on this matter, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome, under its prefect, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, released a statement called “On Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion.” Although it dealt primarily with the obligations of bishops to deny communion to Catholic politicians in certain circumstances, it included a short note at the end addressing whether Catholics could, in good conscience, vote for candidates who supported the taking of nascent human life in the womb or lab.

Cardinal Ratzinger stated that a “Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of a candidate’s permissive stand on abortion.” But the question of the moment is whether a Catholic may vote for a pro-abortion candidate for other reasons. The cardinal’s next sentence answered that question: A Catholic may vote for a pro-abortion Catholic politician only “in the presence of proportionate reasons.”

What are “proportionate reasons”? To consider that question, we must first repeat the teaching of the church: The direct killing of innocent human beings at any stage of development, including the embryonic and fetal, is homicidal, gravely sinful and always profoundly wrong. Then we must consider the scope of the evil of abortion today in our country. America suffers 1.3 million abortions each year–a tragedy of epic proportions. Moreover, many supporters of abortion propose making the situation even worse by creating a publicly funded industry in which tens of thousands of human lives are produced each year for the purpose of being “sacrificed” in biomedical research.
Thus for a Catholic citizen to vote for a candidate who supports abortion and embryo-destructive research, one of the following circumstances would have to obtain: either (a) both candidates would have to be in favor of embryo killing on roughly an equal scale or (b) the candidate with the superior position on abortion and embryo-destructive research would have to be a supporter of objective evils of a gravity and magnitude beyond that of 1.3 million yearly abortions plus the killing that would take place if public funds were made available for embryo-destructive research.

No candidate advocating the removal of legal protection against killing for any vulnerable group of innocent people other than unborn children would have a chance of winning a major office in our country. Even those who support the death penalty for first-degree murderers are not advocating policies that result in more than a million killings annually.

Certainly policies on welfare, national security, the war in Iraq, Social Security or taxes, taken singly or in any combination, do not provide a proportionate reason to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

Consider, for example, the war in Iraq. Although Pope John Paul II pleaded for an alternative to the use of military force to meet the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, he did not bind the conscience of Catholics to agree with his judgment on the matter, nor did he say that it would be morally wrong for Catholic soldiers to participate in the war. In line with the teaching of the catechism on “just war,” he recognized that a final judgment of prudence as to the necessity of military force rests with statesmen, not with ecclesiastical leaders. Catholics may, in good conscience, support the use of force in Iraq or oppose it.
Abortion and embryo-destructive research are different. They are intrinsic and grave evils; no Catholic may legitimately support them. In the context of contemporary American social life, abortion and embryo-destructive research are disproportionate evils. They are the gravest human rights abuses of our domestic politics and what slavery was to the time of Lincoln. Catholics are called by the Gospel of Life to protect the victims of these human rights abuses. They may not legitimately abandon the victims by supporting those who would further their victimization. "

Archbishop Myers heads the archdiocese of Newark.

 
Also, as an aid, here is the Catholic voter guide from the folks at Catholic Answers:

caaction.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=95

Or direct link to the PDF on that page:

caaction.com/pdf/Voters-G…English-1p.pdf

Please share it with your family/friends.

Regards,

-Tyler
It is only fair to always link to the USCCB Voting Guide as the CA one was rejected by many bishops in 2004 as too narrow and may be again.

usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/
 
Catholics have an obligation to be pro-life. However, that term, in a Catholic context is a lot more complex than a stance on secular law.

The Church has published a Doctrinal Note on our obligations and some warnings about the overuse or abuse of the concept of “limiting the harm”, essentially compromising between evils. The full document can be found here:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021124_politica_en.html

Although I have never voted pro-choice, doing was was more defensible until recently. For example, Catholics frequently vote for politicians who are, in the Catholic sense, still pro abortion, since they support exceptions for rape, incest, and the health of the mother.

This seemed like an example of the concept of limiting harm as explained by John Paul II in Evangelum Vitae. However, Pope Benedict has been much firmer in his assertion that secular voting is far closer to the actual sinful act than most Catholic Theologian’s would have proposed (for example, most theologians felt Bishop Burke was incorrect in his interpretation of the Catechism, but the Pope, our ultimate moral authority, has concurred).

So, the Church’s position is that we must stop fudging on “moral principles that do not admit of exception, compromise or derogation”. Given the list, which includes not just “abortion”, but things like “religious freedom”, “protection of minors”, “development of an economy that is in the service of the human person” (in the sense of LUMEN GUADIUM) and “Peace” (citing the CCC limitations on war as non negotiable), this is no easy task. As mutiple US Bishops have noted, we really have no major pro-life political party in this country.

What makes it harder still are things like this:
“At the same time, the Church teaches that authentic freedom does not exist without the truth. «Truth and freedom either go together hand in hand or together they perish in misery». In a society in which truth is neither mentioned nor sought, every form of authentic exercise of freedom will be weakened, opening the way to libertine and individualistic distortions and undermining the protection of the good of the human person and of the entire society.”
If you read the footnotes it is hard to escape the conclussion that even if you can find a candidate whose stated positions are compatible with the nine or ten non-negotiable Catholic moral principles citing by the Church for voting, they are disqualified if they simply use deception in their politics.

I think that the priest was probably misunderstood. I think he most likely was explaining that you have to balance our teachings and vote them as consistantly and coherently as you can. In this, the church seems to agree:
“The Christian faith is an integral unity, and thus it is incoherent to isolate some particular element to the detriment of the whole of Catholic doctrine.”
If you read the CCC and believe that, say, Iraq truly meets the criteria laid out, something that both Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict have stated they do not believe is true, fine (you are still challenging apostolic authority, but it, in of itself, does not render you unfit for communion). But if you agree with the Popes and vote to support war anyway, the Church is saying don’t point to abortion as a justification. Both unjust war and widespread abortion are attrocities on a massive scale, and non negotiable to Catholics.

Using one to justify the other is a rejection of the underlying belief system that supports both. It is, as the Church says, “incoherent”. It also, according to then Cardinal Ratzinger, renders you unfit for the Eucharist.
 
You can ONLY vote for a pro-choice canidate IF they are running against anothe pro-choice canidate. then you are either to choose the canidate who is less pro-abortion or not vote at all. Proportinality ONLY applies to abortion. No issue or combination of issues trumps abortion.:

"Responding to requests to clarify the obligations of Catholics on this matter, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome, under its prefect, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, released a statement called “On Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion.” Although it dealt primarily with the obligations of bishops to deny communion to Catholic politicians in certain circumstances, it included a short note at the end addressing whether Catholics could, in good conscience, vote for candidates who supported the taking of nascent human life in the womb or lab.

Cardinal Ratzinger stated that a “Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of a candidate’s permissive stand on abortion.” But the question of the moment is whether a Catholic may vote for a pro-abortion candidate for other reasons. The cardinal’s next sentence answered that question: A Catholic may vote for a pro-abortion Catholic politician only “in the presence of proportionate reasons.”

What are “proportionate reasons”? To consider that question, we must first repeat the teaching of the church: The direct killing of innocent human beings at any stage of development, including the embryonic and fetal, is homicidal, gravely sinful and always profoundly wrong. Then we must consider the scope of the evil of abortion today in our country. America suffers 1.3 million abortions each year–a tragedy of epic proportions. Moreover, many supporters of abortion propose making the situation even worse by creating a publicly funded industry in which tens of thousands of human lives are produced each year for the purpose of being “sacrificed” in biomedical research.
Thus for a Catholic citizen to vote for a candidate who supports abortion and embryo-destructive research, one of the following circumstances would have to obtain: either (a) both candidates would have to be in favor of embryo killing on roughly an equal scale or (b) the candidate with the superior position on abortion and embryo-destructive research would have to be a supporter of objective evils of a gravity and magnitude beyond that of 1.3 million yearly abortions plus the killing that would take place if public funds were made available for embryo-destructive research.

No candidate advocating the removal of legal protection against killing for any vulnerable group of innocent people other than unborn children would have a chance of winning a major office in our country. Even those who support the death penalty for first-degree murderers are not advocating policies that result in more than a million killings annually.

Certainly policies on welfare, national security, the war in Iraq, Social Security or taxes, taken singly or in any combination, do not provide a proportionate reason to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

(paragraph about the War in Iraq deleted to get under the 5000-word limit)

Abortion and embryo-destructive research are different. They are intrinsic and grave evils; no Catholic may legitimately support them. In the context of contemporary American social life, abortion and embryo-destructive research are disproportionate evils. They are the gravest human rights abuses of our domestic politics and what slavery was to the time of Lincoln. Catholics are called by the Gospel of Life to protect the victims of these human rights abuses. They may not legitimately abandon the victims by supporting those who would further their victimization. "

Archbishop Myers heads the archdiocese of Newark.

Thank you for Archbishop Myers interpretation of the Holy Father’s statement regarding “proportionate reasons.” It is one of many intelligent, thoughtful interpretations of that statement. However, Archbishop Myers’ interpretation is not dogmatic nor doctrinal.
 
Thank you for Archbishop Myers interpretation of the Holy Father’s statement regarding “proportionate reasons.” It is one of many intelligent, thoughtful interpretations of that statement. However, Archbishop Myers’ interpretation is not dogmatic nor doctrinal.
Nor is yours, my lad. Nor is yours.

On March 30th, 2006, Pope Benedict listed three non-negotiables:
  • Protection of life in all its stages.
  • Protection of the natural structure of the family
  • The right of parents to educate their children
 
Nor is yours, my lad. Nor is yours.

On March 30th, 2006, Pope Benedict listed three non-negotiables:
  • Protection of life in all its stages.
  • Protection of the natural structure of the family
  • The right of parents to educate their children
Since you did not provide a link, I presume you are referring to the Pope’s speech, in which he did, in fact, give several examples. However, the Church publishes a more comprehensive document (which I linked to above) which lists 9 examples of non negotiable moral teachings, with emphasis in the original. Further, the document in its entirety provides 3 more broad principles that must be applied.

And, once again, the document, on the subject of voting, addressed to the laity as well as Bishops, was signed by then Cardinal Ratzinger, in his capacity as Prefect, of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021124_politica_en.html

I have no idea why you continue to ignore this official document and grossly mistate Church teachings. I sincerely hope that it is not willful.
“Lying is the most direct offense against the truth. To lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead someone into error. By injuring man’s relation to truth and to his neighbor, a lie offends against the fundamental relation of man and of his word to the Lord.” CCC 2483
 
I’d imagine it would depend on the office. I can’t think of a good reason to not vote for a pro-choice city councilman or woman. After all, the office confers no power over abortion anyway (or maybe it does, I’m not really sure. The point’s the same either way).
 
I’d imagine it would depend on the office. I can’t think of a good reason to not vote for a pro-choice city councilman or woman. After all, the office confers no power over abortion anyway (or maybe it does, I’m not really sure. The point’s the same either way).
There are two reasons – one is that it shows that pro-choice people can get elected. If they were routinely defeated for every office, there would be no people running on pro-choice platforms.

Secondly, the low-level elected official is the life-blood of the party. Without them, the higher pro-choice candidates have a difficult time winning elections.
 
Thank you for Archbishop Myers interpretation of the Holy Father’s statement regarding “proportionate reasons.” It is one of many intelligent, thoughtful interpretations of that statement. However, Archbishop Myers’ interpretation is not dogmatic nor doctrinal.
It does not have to be dogmatic to be true or binding on conscience.
 
I have no idea why you continue to ignore this official document and grossly mistate Church teachings. I sincerely hope that it is not willful.
What a smarmy way to call someone a liar.
 
Who is rejecting Dogma?
Let’s see, we’ve been called liars, schismatics and heretics, and anethema. All for advancing this simple proposition:
When given a choice between to candidates; one who espouses the pro-life position (even if imperfectly) and one who espouses the pro-choice position, a Catholic cannot vote for the latter.
I stand on that proposition and ask our intemporate opponent in this debate to assert to or deny it. A simple yes or no is indicated.
 
Let’s see, we’ve been called liars, schismatics and heretics, and anethema. All for advancing this simple proposition:

I stand on that proposition and ask our intemporate opponent in this debate to assert to or deny it. A simple yes or no is indicated.
The link from the archbishop makes the point very well. This cycle we will not have a candidate who will support all of catholic teaching. That is one reason the Church in Her wisdom gives us moral theology. We need to reason correctly and not obfuscate.
 
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