Pope Benedict XVI calls for "the redistribution of wealth"--a blow to Free Market Theology?

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The Pope has spoken :onpatrol:!!! The only permitted economic system is distributism! Capitalism is false… Socialism is false… Libertarianism is false! Free markets are false!
This is a major misrepresentation of what the Holy Father said, even worse that the original media article. One does not reject what the Holy Father said when they reject what others say the Holy Father said, or what other say about what someone said about what the Holy Father said. This article presents a more informative context:

mondayvatican.com/holy-see/message-for-the-world-day-of-peace-what-it-is-what-it-would-have-been

I am still trying to find the text of the speech. It is just a speech, by the way, not an encyclical or any method of teaching. The Holy Father can make just as many mistakes as he wants in it. Since we actually have his teaching on this (Caritas in Veritate), that is the better source to understand his view on global economic justice.
 
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The only permitted economic system is distributism! Capitalism is false… Socialism is false… Libertarianism is false! Free markets are false!
Utterly false. One shudders to think what else this poster has wrong about Catholic doctrinal teaching!

One of the first truths to learn is that Catholic teaching is not contradictory so listen, learn and love:
As Bl John Paul II teaches in Centesimus Annus, 1991:
'CA 42. ‘If by “capitalism” is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a “business economy”, “market economy” or simply "free economy".
CA 43. The Church has no models to present;’ [My emphasis].

Pope Benedict XVI felt it necessary to teach that “Society does not have to protect itself from the market, as if the development of the latter were ipso facto to entail the death of authentically human relations…Therefore it is not the instrument that must be called to account, but individuals, their moral conscience and their personal and social responsibility.” (Caritas et Veritate, Benedict XVI, 2009, #36).

A few incisive comments reveal the confusion over redistribution.
Richard Garnett
:
“It was predictable, but is nevertheless regrettable, that many pundits and partisans would respond to Caritas in Veritate not so much by engaging Pope Benedict’s profoundly Christian humanism but instead by hunting through the text for quotations they could deploy in support of their own pet policies. (The Pope, for his part, urged “all people of good will” to “liberate [themselves] from ideologies, which often oversimplify reality in artificial ways.”) Rather than reflecting carefully on the Pope’s central proposal, namely, that “[f]idelity to man requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of freedom and of the possibility of integral human development,” commentators who might ordinarily roll their eyes at policy suggestions from the bishop of Rome are happy to uproot from the encyclical’s inspiring, challenging vision a few talking points about environmental stewardship, trade unionism, or the redistribution of wealth.
Richard Garnett is professor of law at Notre Dame University.
freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2289208/posts

Supreme Knight criticizes use of Pope’s encyclical for political agendas
cna ^ | July 7, 2009
“When you look in Africa where you see dictators that are presidents of countries that retire from office with billions of dollars in their Swiss bank accounts while their people are living on one dollar a day, is that just redistribution?”
freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2287608/posts

“The processes of globalization, suitably understood and directed, open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale; if badly directed, however, they can lead to an increase in poverty and inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis. It is necessary to correct the malfunctions, some of them serious, that cause new divisions between peoples and within peoples, and also to ensure that the redistribution of wealth does not come about through the redistribution or increase of poverty: a real danger if the present situation were to be badly managed. For a long time it was thought that poor peoples should remain at a fixed stage of development, and should be content to receive assistance from the philanthropy of developed peoples. Paul VI strongly opposed this mentality in Populorum Progressio.”
(CeV #42).

Here we see the core of the Pope’s “redistributist” large-scale meaning: it is through training, entrepreneurship, work and supplying, at competitive prices through trade, what others need in other countries. Additionally we see the importance of sound management – often neglected today.

Lest any others be led astray:
On Pope Benedict XVI’s Caritas in Veritate, Fr. Robert Sirico, president and co-founder of the Acton Institute (U.S.A.), explains…“his encyclical contains no talk of seeking a third way between markets and socialism. [Italics added]. Words like greed and capitalism make no appearance here. But if they look to this document as a means for the moral reconstruction of the world’s cultures and societies, which in turn influence economic events, they will find much to reflect upon…. The pope is pointing to a path neglected in all the talk of economic stimulus, namely a global embrace of truth-filled charity. Benedict rightly attributes the crisis itself to ‘badly managed and largely speculative financial dealing.’ But he resists the current fashion of blaming all existing world problems on the market economy. Further: ‘Society does not have to protect itself from the market, as if the development of the latter were ipso facto to entail the death of authentically human relations…Therefore it is not the instrument that must be called to account, but individuals, their moral conscience and their personal and social responsibility.’ More, not less, trade is needed: ‘the principal form of assistance needed by developing countries is that of allowing and encouraging the gradual penetration of their products into international markets.’…
"Benedict does see a role for the state here [in wealth redistribution], but much of the needed redistribution is the result of every voluntary and mutually beneficial exchange
.”

So much wasted effort and so many evils have come from a distortion of Catholic teaching.
 
The Pope has spoken :onpatrol:!!! The only permitted economic system is distributism! Capitalism is false… Socialism is false… Libertarianism is false! Free markets are false!

Need I repeat myself my friend? Distributism is what is in catholic social teaching… 🙂

Then again I’ve been reading up on my Dorothy Day… So I’m pretty biased… 😃
You forgot about the social market economy. 🙂 I’m pretty sure that it’s based on Catholic social teaching. And in order to make distributism work, a lot of government would be needed to regulate businesses. A lot. Plus, wasn’t Dorothy Day anarchist, which is contrary to Church teaching? Or maybe I kind of misread wikipedia! 😛
 
I think the Pope prefers hard workers who are able to keep most of their earnings and then help others through private charitable giving. I know plenty of so called “evil rich” who are the most generous folks around. I also know plenty of “holy poor” who game the system for handouts and give aways while sitting on their lazy back ends as the rest of us “work by the sweat of our brow”. The biggest mistake we can make is to allow tyrants like Obamarxist to redistribute “wealth”. I think our founders had it exactly right.
 
I’d like to add that Blessed Dorothy Day is on her way to Sainthood…

You must all follow a social market economy and distributism 😃 👍
 
I like the social market economy part. 😃
You do realize that Dorothy Day hated welfare, don’t you? She wrote the following, all the way back in 1945:

We believe that social security legislation, now balled as a great victory for the poor and for the worker, is a great defeat for Christianity. It is an acceptance of the Idea of force and compulsion. It is an acceptance of Cain’s statement, on the part of the employer. “Am I my brother’s keeper?” … Of course, Pope Pius XI said that, when such a crisis came about, in unemployment, fire, flood, earthquake, etc., the state had to enter in and help…But we in our generation have more and more come to consider the state as bountiful Uncle Sam. “Uncle Sam will take care of it all. The race question, the labor question, the unemployment question.” We will all be registered and tabulated and employed or put on a dole, and shunted from clinic to birth control clinic…

(snip)

But who is to take care of them if the government does not? That is a question in a day when all are turning to the state, and when people are asking, “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Certainly we all should know that it is not the province of the government to practice the works of mercy, or go in for Insurance. Smaller bodies, decentralized groups, should be caring for all such needs…The first unit of society is the family. The family should look after its own…“When did we see Thee hungry, when did we see Thee naked?” People either plead ignorance or they say “It is none of my responsibility.” But we are all members one of another, so we are obliged in conscience to help each other. The parish is the next unit, and there are local councils of the St. Vincent de Paul Society. Then there is the city, and the larger body of charitable groups. And there are the unions, where mutual aid and fraternal charity is also practiced. For those who are not Catholics there are lodges fraternal organizations, where there is a long tradition of charity. But now there is a dependence on the state. Hospitals once Catholic are subsidized by the state. Orphanages once supported by Catholic charity receive their aid from community chests. And when it is not the state it is bingo parties!
 
You do realize that Dorothy Day hated welfare, don’t you? She wrote the following, all the way back in 1945:

We believe that social security legislation, now balled as a great victory for the poor and for the worker, is a great defeat for Christianity. It is an acceptance of the Idea of force and compulsion. It is an acceptance of Cain’s statement, on the part of the employer. “Am I my brother’s keeper?” … Of course, Pope Pius XI said that, when such a crisis came about, in unemployment, fire, flood, earthquake, etc., the state had to enter in and help…But we in our generation have more and more come to consider the state as bountiful Uncle Sam. “Uncle Sam will take care of it all. The race question, the labor question, the unemployment question.” We will all be registered and tabulated and employed or put on a dole, and shunted from clinic to birth control clinic…

(snip)

But who is to take care of them if the government does not? That is a question in a day when all are turning to the state, and when people are asking, “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Certainly we all should know that it is not the province of the government to practice the works of mercy, or go in for Insurance. Smaller bodies, decentralized groups, should be caring for all such needs…The first unit of society is the family. The family should look after its own…“When did we see Thee hungry, when did we see Thee naked?” People either plead ignorance or they say “It is none of my responsibility.” But we are all members one of another, so we are obliged in conscience to help each other. The parish is the next unit, and there are local councils of the St. Vincent de Paul Society. Then there is the city, and the larger body of charitable groups. And there are the unions, where mutual aid and fraternal charity is also practiced. For those who are not Catholics there are lodges fraternal organizations, where there is a long tradition of charity. But now there is a dependence on the state. Hospitals once Catholic are subsidized by the state. Orphanages once supported by Catholic charity receive their aid from community chests. And when it is not the state it is bingo parties!
I don’t know a whole lot about Dorothy Day, besides a few things I glanced at on wikipedia. So…🤷
 
I don’t know a whole lot about Dorothy Day, besides a few things I glanced at on wikipedia. So…🤷
She was a big peacenik. And a lot of people labeled her as a commie.

And she was very, very anti-corporation.

But the thing about her was that she advocated for “voluntary poverty” (with the emphasis on “voluntary”)

She tried out the most radical of the left-wing politics and economics, but eventually she recognized that these were full of a bunch of empty promises and that the poor that were supposed to be helped actually ended up worse off than they were before.

I encourage you to read the whole editorial that I excerpted from. It’s very educational.
 
The Holy Father has called for wealth redistribution… You must follow it… You have no choice…

Wealth redistribution need not be socialism… Let’s call it populism like Huey Long’s “Share Our Wealth” program of the great Depression…
“You have no choice?” What! Is Benedict a Nazi??? Socialism is death!!! Your hero Obama / Ayers wants to murder 25 million capitalists! Is that what you want? Holy stupidity! Listen to what an FBI agent said about Obama / Ayers plan.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U2An9Qch2pQ

History repeats itself and socialism is Hitlers favorite plan. He believed killing 6 million jews was “social justice”. You liberal Catholics better wake up and save your souls!
 
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