Pope Benedict XVI signed papal act on 3/30 "freeing" the TLM [rumor]

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I know this will sound naive.
But if the Holy Father declares TLM usable universally I think he is most likely saying it for the good of Christ’s Church.
Note I did not say it was an infallible statement.
I have not read that he is doing away with the NO.
I believe God has given us a gift in Pope Benedict XVI. And I look forward to the lessons he will teach.
 
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ByzCath:
I am not complaining about the old Mass nor about those to prefer it. What I complain about is their attempt at ownership of the term “traditional” and the exclusion of those who do not prefer it.
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This is part of what bugs me as well. I accept all of the teachings of Holy Mother Church, I’m socially conservative, blah, blah, blah, but because I prefer the Pauline Mass, I’m a, what, a “modernist?” That’s why I always put “traditional” in quotation marks: I assume that to be a Catholic (which is all we should have to be, Catholic Christians) is to be a traditionalist. Apparently not according to some “traditionalists.”

And NOW, those of us who defended the right of the Church and the Holy Fathers to regulate the discipline of the Mass (against those who think nothing good has happened since VII AND against those who think the Mass is their own personal playground) and to determine who is and who is not in communion with her and with them are accused of “papalolotry.” Yeah, these are thrilling times we live in.
 
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And NOW, those of us who defended the right of the Church and the Holy Fathers to regulate the discipline of the Mass (against those who think nothing good has happened since VII AND against those who think the Mass is their own personal playground)
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The current discussion is about the possibility of the Holy Father declaring greater access to the TLM. If, as you seem to imply, the traditionalists on this forum don’t “defend the right of the Holy Father to regulate the discipline of the Mass,” then why on earth would they care so much about this topic? :hmmm:

Anyway, regarding the other concern you raised – i.e., the difference between a “traditionalist” and a “conservative” – it’s an interesting philosophical and semantic question, but belongs on another thread. 🙂
 
I am not complaining about the old Mass nor about those to prefer it. What I complain about is their attempt at ownership of the term “traditional” and the exclusion of those who do not prefer it.
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for better or worse, we are stuck with the term “traditional” in describing catholics who exclusively attend the tridentine mass. Unless you can introduce a better one, get over it. this is like complaining about white wine because in reality it is yellow, or charismatic catholics because they exclusively hold to the charismatic title, or neocatecumenals calling their movement the way.

so if traditionalists call themselves traditional catholics or traditional orthodox “old believers” i don’t care. if it makes them happy, good for them.

language always suffers in its limitation of conveying the essence of things. differences in languages have even caused schisms–especially between the east and west.

by the way, congratulations on your vocation, i think that is awesome. i wish more young men had the courage to follow the Lord’s call. carmelites are really awesome–totally devoted to Our Lady. did you see this new carmelite group out in wyoming, i bought one of thier cds.
 
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ByzCath:
It bothers me that those who have a preference for a certain style of the Mass, of a discipline that can and does change, have taken the word “traditionial” upon themselves and exclude all others.

Tradition is more than just the liking of an old style/discipline. Tradition also lies in obedience to the Church, the Bishops, and the current norms/disciplines.
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Did I say anything about those who disobey the Church…nope, I don’t believe I did.
 
If that is correct, would that rule out Holy Thursday for a surprise Papal TLM because the Masses on the day are planned to be concelebrated with “cardinals, bishops, and diocesan and religious priests present in Rome”?
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No one said he was actually going to CELEBRATE a TLM…only that he would release a document allowing priests to celebrate it.
 
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maryceleste:
The current discussion is about the possibility of the Holy Father declaring greater access to the TLM. If, as you seem to imply, the traditionalists on this forum don’t “defend the right of the Holy Father to regulate the discipline of the Mass,” then why on earth would they care so much about this topic? :hmmm:
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Because they spend so much time dumping on a legitimate Mass promulgated by a pope and celebrated by him and his successors.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Because they spend so much time dumping on a legitimate Mass promulgated by a pope and celebrated by him and his successors.
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This thread isn’t the place to express concerns about the Pauline liturgy… nor is it the place to express concerns about those who express such concerns.

But, guess what, there’s now a thread that deals specifically with the above subjects.

Reform of the post-Vatican II liturgy?

Feel free to join us. 🙂
 
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batteddy:
No one said he was actually going to CELEBRATE a TLM…only that he would release a document allowing priests to celebrate it.
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Yes, you are correct. No one has officially said anything of the sort. Previous posts like this one have mentioned rumours that suggest that the Pope could fulfill some gesture.

Of course, the nature of such “gesture” is unknown. The actual word “gesture” used in the report could possibly be an inaccurate translation. But in any event, judging by the Holy Father’s schedule, it is highly unlikely that this so called “gesture” will be a surprise TLM.
 
“Rumor” or “leak”; time will tell:

archivum.ilcannocchiale.it/

Diverse fonti confermano che domani, Giovedi’ Santo, dovrebbe uscire un importante documento del Papa avente come argomento la validita’ attuale della Liturgia tridentina. Questo documento - si dice in forma di Motu proprio - e’ gia’ stato firmato e dev’essere solo promulgato ufficialmente. Recentissime udienze del Papa concesse al card. Arinze lasciano supporre ragionevolmente che la data di pubblicazione sia appunto domani.

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rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/

“Several sources confirm that tomorrow, Holy Thursday, an important Papal document should be released, having as its subject the current validity of the Tridentine liturgy. This document --in the form of a Motu Proprio, it is said – has already been signed and would simply be officially promulgated. Very recent Papal audiences with card. Arinze allow [us] to reasonably suppose that the date of publication shall be precisely tomorrow.”
 
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