Pope Benedict XVI: The liturgy has "collapsed"

[JKirkLVNV]

palmas85:

My general impression is that when the Holy Father was in his prior office, he would often take an extreme position in order to exercise a definite defense of the faith. Kind of like stacking the deck so to speak. That was his job, he did not have to wory about collegiality, ecumenism, inter church relations or anything at all except defense of the doctrine of the faith.

Now however, he has a whole new set of problems, some major some minor and some probably just a pain in the butt. While he may and probably does have a personal preferance in thesed matters, I seriously doubt that he will make any serious changes at all…

Can you imagine the uproar from the Bishops and from the Novus Ordo supporters if he did???

I think he will try to do something about abuses, but I reckon it will be mostly teaching and then reprimands from the Cardinal Arinze’s congregation.

 

[Lux_et_veritas]

JKirkLVNV:

I think he will try to do something about abuses, but I reckon it will be mostly teaching and then reprimands from the Cardinal Arinze’s congregation.

Ahhh - Cardinal Arinze, a real straight-talker. He is one of my all-time favorites. He does not pull any punches. Have you ever seen his speech on Liturgical Norms and Piety? This was a speech he was suppose to give here in the US, but Pope John Paul II was so gravely ill, he did not come. Instead just the text was released. The underlined title is a link.

Cardinal Francis Arinze Addresses Liturgists
Liturgical Norms and Liturgical Piety
**“The people of God have the right that the liturgy be celebrated as the Church wants it”.

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[krazykatlady]

Kielbasi:

What kind of changes do you foresee? And how do you see Pope Benedict actually implementing those changes?

Do you think that an aged and infirm pope will actually be able to do anything major, considering not only his weakened physical and mental condition (which is something that all men go through) but also the legacy of Pope Benedict’s predecessor.

If the current pope launches major changes, it could be interpreted as a slap in the face to John Paul II on whose watch the crisis evolved.

I was in Rome in November and was blessed to see Benedict XVI on three different occasions, including a papal Mass. Aged? Yes. Infirm? Not hardly. And intellectually he would probably leave us all behind in the dust.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Lux_et_veritas:

Ahhh - Cardinal Arinze, a real straight-talker. He is one of my all-time favorites. He does not pull any punches. Have you ever seen his speech on Liturgical Norms and Piety? This was a speech he was suppose to give here in the US, but Pope John Paul II was so gravely ill, he did not come. Instead just the text was released. The underlined title is a link.

Cardinal Francis Arinze Addresses Liturgists

Liturgical Norms and Liturgical Piety
"The people of God have the right that the liturgy be celebrated as the Church wants it".

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Very powerful. Every priest should be made to copy that out 500 times, from the time he begins seminary to his ordination as a deacon.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

krazykatlady:

I was in Rome in November and was blessed to see Benedict XVI on three different occasions, including a papal Mass. Aged? Yes. Infirm? Not hardly. And intellectually he would probably leave us all behind in the dust.

Yes, not to be contradictory to Kielbasi, but I would respectfully suggest that we may have Pope Benedict into his 90’s. He’s 78 now. We should cast our minds back to the old Holy Father when he was 78. God love him and give him peace, he wasn’t in remotely as good a shape as Pope Benedict is at 78, nearly 79. Of course, John Paul the Great had been shot, broken a leg, had Parkinson’s, and had a tumor taken out of his stomach. He had every right to not look as good. But Pope Benedict could be like Leo XIII.