Pope declares "New World Economic Order"?

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I’m very curious what others on here think about the Pope announcing his plan for a “New World Economic Order”. nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08pope.html
In all honesty, I would rather read his entire statement which I cannot find before coming to my own conclusions, however, my initial concern is his idea of a governing body that would oversee all world economies. I thought that the Catholic church was against any and all communisms or socilaisms…
To me, no one group should be in control of everything or anything. Checks and balances are very VERY important.
And I was also always under the impression that it is our duty as Catholics, and as Christians to take care of one another- not to have government tell us how to do it or how much to give.

Very confused right now. Any further information or insight would be greatly appreciated.
 
Please be careful believing what the media reports
about what The Pope Said.
It’s often distorted.

God bless,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
i’m not sure if your trying to suggest that Jesus was a capitalist? but the answer to that is no. no way not ever. you are right, taking care of one another is our duty, as was taught by Jesus and the examples of the Apostles, today this is called Socialism. capitalism however is an illusion that has been spoon fed to the people along with a lot of very cool and sexed up images. the truth is that capitalism is like the Curtain in the LORDS Temple except it is a curtain in the marketplace, and is there to hide the true lord of this world, satan’s financial high priest, who’s goal is our cool and sexed up oppression. this system is a curse upon the people to make us all into unknowing slaves to sin.

these same high priests financed and created communism under the most evil dictators this world has ever seen and is now trying to convince all the world that Socialism is the same thing. that by following the examples laid down for us in the New Testament we will become evil communists bent on oppression, death and destruction.

don’t fall for it people. remember the story of Jesus in the Temple when wicked men had turned GODS House into a marketplace, what did the Lord do? He ejected them from His FATHERS House. today those wicked men have turned the world into a marketplace and they are trying to eject GOD from HIS Creation. will we allow them, or will we follow the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?*
 
cecelia81 said:
I’m very curious what others on here think about the Pope announcing his plan for a “New World Economic Order”. nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08pope.html
In all honesty, I would rather read his entire statement which I cannot find before coming to my own conclusions, however, my initial concern is his idea of a governing body that would oversee all world economies. …
no one group should be in control of everything or anything.
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Wow, the NYT got it wrong again! That must be the 1,000,000,000th time straight.
 
We Definately need clarification, I have Protestant friends texting me now about this. While I won’t jump to conclusions, it doesn’t look good.
 
I agree it doesn’t look good… But as Catholics, aren’t we required to embrace it? Isn’t this where the Church asserts “infallibility”?
 
I read the article. I thought it was reasonably fair. The Pope is not infallible when he gives advice on what kind of political system should be employed or how the government should be set up to deal with certain problems. Capitalism and socialism both have their faults but they have more to do with the people within the system and less to do with the system itself. The two systems bring out different faults from people under them though, and the decision that has to be made is which faults are worse and which are the easiest to mitigate. Personally I’d rather fight greed rather than sloth but that is just my opinion 😃 Sloth is a silent killer.
 
I should have probably listed more articles on this, as I did read more than just the NYT trying to “read between the lines” and understand it better. I did read one on Fox News, the Telegraph, Reuters and several other sources.

However- plwplhi, I absolutely know what you mean when you reference the story of the marketplace, however, Jesus did not teach socialism AT ALL. To insinuate that he expected us to just be “taken care of” by “big brother” is in no way accurate. We must be able to help ourselves as well as help each other. A “hand up”, not a “hand out”. Creating a world where everyone has “the same” takes away so many of our God given freedoms. I see no where in the bible Jesus saying for us to be “equalized” or to have our earnings/properties evenly distributed throughout the world by government force. Doing so goes directly against our free will.
He said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick. And last time I checked many many people do just that- not because the government told us to. But because Jesus did, and we open ourselves to the God given compassion we hold in our hearts, just as his Son had compassion for us. Socialism does not teach compassion. Only equality at all costs.
In fact I do believe there is or was a group of Catholics priests that actively spoke out for socialism and they were denounced by the Vatican. I wish I could remember the full story…
As for capitalism- are you suggesting that what is occurring in the world’s markets IS capitalism? Last time I checked, capitalism depended on a free market- however the markets are the way they are because of the very specific and destructive far left(and far right, aka anarchy) agendas. What has occurred in the housing market alone has NOT been capitalism. The government dictating housing and college loans alone that should have NEVER been given as they are NOT being repaid is just one portion of the problem. Last time I checked when you borrow something and do not give it back, that is called theft, which is a sin. However, the few puppet masters in charge of this all knew that this would happen. They are seeking the collapse of the system- that is the goal.
Socialism and communism do only one thing- create chaos and confusion with the promise of false order. God is the opposite of chaos and confusion. Not that I am saying God is a capitalist- What he asks us to do really aligns with neither school of thought completely. However, it is in a capitalistic republic that we are allowed to worship freely- not in a socialism or a communism.

In fact, writing all this helped me understand what the Pope is saying. He is not calling for socialism. He is calling for accountability for those seeking the chaos and confusion that lead to communism and socialism. Clearly many of the World Banks are outdated and have either failed us, or are in on it.

Ugh, it’s just all very overwhelming. And I wish that a statement like this had been printed or televised so we could hear word for word what our Holy Father actually said, so we’re not hearing it for the first time from those who twist and turn his words.
 
Nate13 said:
I read the article. I thought it was reasonably fair. The Pope is not infallible when he gives advice on what kind of political system should be employed or how the government should be set up to deal with certain problems. Capitalism and socialism both have their faults but they have more to do with the people within the system and less to do with the system itself. The two systems bring out different faults from people under them though, and the decision that has to be made is which faults are worse and which are the easiest to mitigate. Personally I’d rather fight greed rather than sloth but that is just my opinion 😃 Sloth is a silent killer.
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You hit the nail on the head. Well said!👍
 
People are in uproars about this. Protestants have been calling the Pope the Antichrist for ages and predicting he would lead a new world order, and now we apparently have him calling for a global economy and gov. I’m shocked by this and really don’t know what to say to those who ask me of this.
 
I’m in full agreement with the Pope! Things really are falling apart out there.
 
jamison said:
People are in uproars about this. Protestants have been calling the Pope the Antichrist for ages and predicting he would lead a new world order, and now we apparently have him calling for a global economy and gov. I’m shocked by this and really don’t know what to say to those who ask me of this.
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Tell them you won’t talk to any of them unless they have read the actual encyclical 😉
 
Apparently it was the opinion of a leftist person in the Vatican, not the pope.

There are more important things to look at than a random person’s opinion.

If I’m wrong, please let me know.
 
The headline was shocking to me. But like most things in the news I think the facts aren’t exactly right. I have to admit to having not read the document, like most news reporters who are making up the headlines. Thomas Woods, a free market Catholic, has written a piece on it, Idolatry of the Market. If Mr. Woods is correct then this came from the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. It sounds as if the document does properly identify some problems but suggest some bad solutions e.g. more government.

Since the Pope recently said:

‘We have seen how power became divorced from right, how power opposed right and crushed it, so that the state became an instrument for destroying right — a highly organized band of robbers, capable of threatening the whole world and driving it to the edge of the abyss.’

I would be surprised that he was personally advocating more government as a solution to any problem.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
Apparently it was the opinion of a leftist person in the Vatican, not the pope.

There are more important things to look at than a random person’s opinion.

If I’m wrong, please let me know.
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My fear is that there are a lot of leftist people in high places in the RCC. My own diocese is going through some very unsettling changes and occurrences that are very socialistic in tone. Add that with blatant lies from those sent by our Bishop…needless to say there is a bit of panic where I live.

If this is the kind of behavior that is being permitted, and a “more government” socialistic attitude emerging (which has been outwardly denounced by the Church in the past), then we’ve been infiltrated by evil yet again. Which I truly hope and pray is NOT the case at all.
To some it may sound like I’m overreacting, but if it truly is what it appears to be, then we’re in trouble. There appears to be individuals who have decision making roles in the church who are supporting ideologies that are anti-Church.

I do hope this isn’t the case- but some of the wording is very disconcerting. I hope that what is happening in my diocese is not what what is happening in the Vatican.
 
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