Pope declares "New World Economic Order"?

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My fear is that there are a lot of leftist people in high places in the RCC. My own diocese is going through some very unsettling changes and occurrences that are very socialistic in tone. Add that with blatant lies from those sent by our Bishop…needless to say there is a bit of panic where I live.

If this is the kind of behavior that is being permitted, and a “more government” socialistic attitude emerging (which has been outwardly denounced by the Church in the past), then we’ve been infiltrated by evil yet again. Which I truly hope and pray is NOT the case at all.
To some it may sound like I’m overreacting, but if it truly is what it appears to be, then we’re in trouble. There appears to be individuals who have decision making roles in the church who are supporting ideologies that are anti-Church.

I do hope this isn’t the case- but some of the wording is very disconcerting. I hope that what is happening in my diocese is not what what is happening in the Vatican.
I think basically the document was actually just saying something like we need a (better) UN that oversees what happens and has a bank (without violating subsidiarity and solidarity). But I don’t know how that could ever work.
 
I wonder if the suggestion is based on the idea that we already currently have organizations like the IMF that regulate the global economy behind the scenes with little to no oversight. Having a transparent government entity doing the job instead that could be held accountable would be a step above this.
 
I agree it doesn’t look good… But as Catholics, aren’t we required to embrace it? Isn’t this where the Church asserts “infallibility”?
No, this is from the committee for peace and justice and is not a Magisterial teaching. They have run counter to Authentic Catholic teaching before and it has been suggested that the committee be shut down.
 
My fear is that there are a lot of leftist people in high places in the RCC.
The committee for peace and justice is not “high places”. It is a committee that issues theoretical white papers. It is not the Magisterium and has run counter to the Magisterium a number of times.
 
The headline was shocking to me. But like most things in the news I think the facts aren’t exactly right. I have to admit to having not read the document, like most news reporters who are making up the headlines. Thomas Woods, a free market Catholic, has written a piece on it, Idolatry of the Market. If Mr. Woods is correct then this came from the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. It sounds as if the document does properly identify some problems but suggest some bad solutions e.g. more government.

Since the Pope recently said:

‘We have seen how power became divorced from right, how power opposed right and crushed it, so that the state became an instrument for destroying right — a highly organized band of robbers, capable of threatening the whole world and driving it to the edge of the abyss.’

I would be surprised that he was personally advocating more government as a solution to any problem.
An excellent post, brother. This post has helped me understand a bit. I thank you.
 
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But as Catholics, aren’t we required to embrace it? Isn’t this where the Church asserts “infallibility”?
Of course Dr Thomas E Woods is correct this is NOT a papal document but from the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

No papal or any other documents are infallible – only definitions of dogmas or doctrines on faith or morals therein are infallible.

American news services quoted a principal dissenter the Jesuit, Father Thomas Reese, as claiming that the Vatican document was “to the left of Nancy Pelosi.” That’s the dissenting myopia alright.
[catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=12159]](http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=12159])

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Pope Benedict calls for ‘central world bank’ … only he didn’t. Here’s why.
by Thomas Peters,
October 24, 2011 (Catholicvote.org)
– “You may have seen this story which was headlined earlier today on the Drudge Report:

“The Vatican called on Monday for the establishment of a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises.

“Notice that Fr. Reese does NOT correct the news anchor that this document comes from a Vatican congregation — not the pope! Fr. Reese seems perfectly happy to help the mainstream media fundamentally misunderstand the authority of teaching this document enjoys. He claims that the pope has “more in common with the people at occupy wallstreet” than the tea party, even though he has to immediately walk back that claim when it is pointed out to him how violent (and anti-Catholic!) the Occupy Rome demonstrations were (as I blogged about last week). I think it’s no surprise that Fr. Reese spends so much time talking about the 60′s — that’s still his cultural frame of reference.

“I have nothing to immediately add to that, because the very authors of the document make clear how it should be evaluated: namely, as a “contribution” (as opposed to a mandate), as a “possible path” (as opposed to a moral proscription), in line with the Magisterium’s social teaching (as opposed to introducing a new teaching), without getting into the technical issues (because the Church is an expert in humanity, not economics) while fully staying within the Church’s religious and ethical functions. [My underlining].

“Liberal Catholics routinely (and in this case) try to read the Church’s social teaching as dogmatic while choosing to view the Church’s moral and religious teaching as optional. In fact, the Church herself is always careful to make clear that her moral and religious teaching is dogmatic and binding while her social teaching –and particularly her economic teaching– is exhortative and prudential.

“Fr. Reese and his liberal Catholic friends would be better served acting as messengers of the Church’s teaching as opposed to creators of it.”

Couldn’t agree more, including the dismissal of a correct conscience that must be formed by the doctrine of the Church.

It is confusion and incompetence that result in such aberrations, and are reflected in supportive comments of no substance. They all blithely ignore, apparently through choice, that even Popes have warned explicitly against thinking that they have unique insights into specific matters of economic policy.

In 1931, we were taught: “…lastly, summoning to court the contemporary economic regime and passing judgment on Socialism, to lay bare the root of the existing social confusion and at the same time point the only way to sound restoration: namely, the Christian reform of morals. [Pius XI in *Quadragesimo Anno, 1931, 15].
 
The Encyclical to which someone linked was issued in June 2009 - it is not the same document as this ‘White Paper’ - a document of the sort produced all the time by staffers in obscure entities within large organizations and indicative of not much more than their opinions.
 
First of I would like to say that I’m a very devout Catholic and will die Catholic because I know that this is the True Church Christ founded. Thus I believe in papal infallibility, knowing this is not the case.

However, those of you who have heard of conspiracies such as the “Illuminati conspiracy” and that of “The New World Order” must acknowledge that there is something fishy about this. I never discarded these theories as they seemed logical to me in someways. Ignoring it will not make it any better. The Pope wanting a New World Economic Order? Is this some kind of joke? Didn’t others tell me this was coming years ago? Whats next…

There is something wrong about all of this and certainly I keep seeing a lot of things coming that were predicted by friends of mine that are conspiracy theorists. Not just happening in the Church but outside of it too. Its a bittersweet feeling. If you know about these theories as much as I do, then you’d know what I mean. I don’t think im exaggerating this time. However It would help to know if its only the Vatican and not necessarily the pope calling for a New World Economic Order.
 
If this is true, and the Pope calls for a world wide government, than obviously I would remain Catholic, but abandon my respect for the Vatican.

Following Christ is first and foremost our goal as Catholics, if the Vatican ever did anything contrary to what Christ called on us to do, than I would do the same as is described in** Acts 4:19**

19 But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge; 20 for we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard.”

As it stands though, most of the news articles I have seen seem to be…wait for it… sensationalist. Big shocker, right?

This document didn’t come from the Pope, it came from the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

Christ’s kingdom is not of this world.
 
I think it’s clear that global business is a main cause of the “need” for global government. And it would probably actually facilitate the aims of Big Business. . . although I can’t see, because of the diversity among nations, of any real good of it—I doubt any “global government” would really end up helping actual live persons, but would rather benefit Exxon, IBM, etc., not to mention the Other-Person’s-Money-Movers of Wall Street.
 
It will take a world-wide disaster to bring the World together under one banner. The 13 colonies were very independent as well, until the mutual enemy of the British Empire brought them under one banner.
 
Blessed John Paul and Pope Benedict have written about economics in the Catechism:

"2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism.”

She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207

Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208

Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended."

More is available in the Catechism at: scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a7.htm
under the heading "SECTION TWO - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS - CHAPTER TWO
“YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF” - ARTICLE 7 THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT - You shall not steal.186
 
This is actually from the pope’s encyclical Veritas et Caritas. All it is really calling for is a UN that gives poorer countries more say, and that the UN should be able to help pull poor countries out of poverty. It is not calling for a one world government that controls us.

The more I have looked into this, the more I see it is being distorted by people online. It really isn’t that bad.

Personally, I agree with it.
 
‘We have seen how power became divorced from right, how power opposed right and crushed it, so that the state became an instrument for destroying right — a highly organized band of robbers, capable of threatening the whole world and driving it to the edge of the abyss.’

I would be surprised that he was personally advocating more government as a solution to any problem.
I’d like to use this but I’d like to cite the source. Do you know where the citation came from? Thank you.
 
An excellent post, brother. This post has helped me understand a bit. I thank you.
You are welcome and thank you for the kind words.
I’d like to use this but I’d like to cite the source. Do you know where the citation came from? Thank you.
The Pope said this to the Bundestag on his visit to Germany. He was specifically considering the German experience, but the idea of course transcends time, which is why the Pope was teaching from Biblical sources and the wisdom of Saint Augustine.

Apostolic Journey to Germany, Address of His Holiness Benedict XVI

This is a very interesting address and well worth reading. The Pope is speaking about things at a very different level than most other leaders. It is good and expected that the Pope is drawing people upwards, but it is also sad how far below world politics is.
 
This is actually from the pope’s encyclical Veritas et Caritas. All it is really calling for is a UN that gives poorer countries more say, and that the UN should be able to help pull poor countries out of poverty. It is not calling for a one world government that controls us.

The more I have looked into this, the more I see it is being distorted by people online. It really isn’t that bad.

Personally, I agree with it.
This is not the popes opinion in any way whatsoever. The paper even states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium.
 
This is not the popes opinion in any way whatsoever. The paper even states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium.
I know. But PARTS of it are from the pope. Some parts (like a world bank :confused: - strange idea) aren’t.
 
Blessed John Paul and Pope Benedict have written about economics in the Catechism:

"2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism.”

She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207

Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208

Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended."

More is available in the Catechism at: scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a7.htm
under the heading "SECTION TWO - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS - CHAPTER TWO
“YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF” - ARTICLE 7 THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT - You shall not steal.186
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Mixed economy = best form of economy imho.

To be more specific, distributism = best form of economy imho, in the form of the social market economy. 🙂
 
This is not the popes opinion in any way whatsoever. The paper even states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium.
There was a paper recently issued from a Vatican Council.

The paper referenced in the OP is from Pope Benedict in 2009:

ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH
 
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