Pope declares "New World Economic Order"?

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There was a paper recently issued from a Vatican Council.

The paper referenced in the OP is from Pope Benedict in 2009:

ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH
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The paper itself states that it has no authority and it is not from the Magisterium. The committee for peace and justice has run counter to the Magisterium before. They take Selective quotes taken out of context to support a leftist agenda not supported by The Magisterium.
 
Here are a few excerpts that pertain to this discussion:

From vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
CHAPTER FIVE

THE COOPERATION
OF THE HUMAN FAMILY
  1. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations. The integral development of peoples and international cooperation require the establishment of a greater degree of international ordering, marked by subsidiarity, for the management of globalization[149]. They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order, to the interconnection between moral and social spheres, and to the link between politics and the economic and civil spheres, as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.
And from: news.va/en/news/full-text-note-on-financial-reform-from-the-pontif :

Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace

TOWARDS REFORMING
THE INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL AND MONETARY SYSTEMS IN THE CONTEXT OF GLOBAL PUBLIC AUTHORITY

Vatican City
2011

An Authority over Globalization

Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in a way that Responds to the Needs of all Peoples

Conclusions
  1. An Authority over Globalization
On the way to building a more fraternal and just human family and, even before that, a new humanism open to transcendence, Blessed John XXIII’s teaching seems especially timely. In the prophetic Encyclical Pacem in Terris of 1963, he observed that the world was heading towards ever greater unification. He then acknowledged the fact that a correspondence was lacking in the human community between the political organization “on a world level and the objective needs of the universal common good”. He also expressed the hope that one day “a true world political authority” would be created.

In view of the unification of the world engendered by the complex phenomenon of globalization, and of the importance of guaranteeing, in addition to other collective goods, the good of a free, stable world economic and financial system at the service of the real economy, today the teaching of Pacem in Terris appears to be even more vital and worthy of urgent implementation.
Maybe my view of Christian prophecy and of the End Times is still somewhat prejudiced from decades of protestant influence, for I was taught to view world unification under a one world government and economy as a way for the Antichrist to gain control and fulfill the End Time prophecies of Christ and as found in Revelation, thus I was encouraged to be against globalization, and any person, entity, and belief that encouraged it.

Is the Catholic interpretation of End Time prophecy and of the Book of Revelations different? I still can not find any official view from the Magisterium on it. How can there be a ‘unification of the world’ when the world is fallen and sinful and no one person or entity can truely be trusted?

-Chris
 
Cmforte #43
How can there be a ‘unification of the world’ when the world is fallen and sinful and no one person or entity can truely be trusted?
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We have to avoid allowing those, who want to misrepresent the Pope’s Caritas in Veritate, from misleading us.

Notice that Pope Benedict stipulates that true world political authority not only “would need to be regulated by law, [but also] to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity” (67). Subsidiarity “is the most effective antidote against any form of all-encompassing welfare state” (57). “Any form” of the “all-encompassing welfare state” must include a single, global or World State.

“Benedict XVI operates from Natural Law and not Neo-Kantian assumptions; for him, Natural Law and the World Community do not mean there must be a World State. The world authority or “governance” he describes refers mainly to the Natural Law and the need to bring various international organizations more fully into compliance with it. National politics have increasingly grown remote from the Natural Law. Therefore, we do need “a reform of the United Nations Organization . . . so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth” (67). But “the family of nations” exists within a global society, which as it moves towards societas perfecta, increasingly approximates the Natural Law. Once it has perfectly reflected the Natural Law, then obedience to the world authority will flow naturally, not by force, from the moral conscience of each member of this global society.

“Thus, a careful reading of Caritas in Veritate demonstrates that Benedict is not calling for a World State to fulfill functions that must come ultimately from the human heart. Q.E.D.”
See:
**The Catholic Thing
Friday, 11 September 2009
Does the Catholic Church Favor World Government? (with apologies to Aquinas)
By Kevin M. Doak **Question I: Does Benedict XVI advocate world government in Caritas in Veritate?
tinyurl.com/64v4a7y
 
Abu said:
We have to avoid allowing those, who want to misrepresent the Pope’s Caritas in Veritate, from misleading us.

Notice that Pope Benedict stipulates that true world political authority not only “would need to be regulated by law, [but also] to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity” (67). Subsidiarity “is the most effective antidote against any form of all-encompassing welfare state” (57). “Any form” of the “all-encompassing welfare state” must include a single, global or World State.

“Benedict XVI operates from Natural Law and not Neo-Kantian assumptions; for him, Natural Law and the World Community do not mean there must be a World State. The world authority or “governance” he describes refers mainly to the Natural Law and the need to bring various international organizations more fully into compliance with it. National politics have increasingly grown remote from the Natural Law. Therefore, we do need “a reform of the United Nations Organization . . . so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth” (67). But “the family of nations” exists within a global society, which as it moves towards societas perfecta, increasingly approximates the Natural Law. Once it has perfectly reflected the Natural Law, then obedience to the world authority will flow naturally, not by force, from the moral conscience of each member of this global society.

“Thus, a careful reading of Caritas in Veritate demonstrates that Benedict is not calling for a World State to fulfill functions that must come ultimately from the human heart. Q.E.D.”
See:
**The Catholic Thing
Friday, 11 September 2009
Does the Catholic Church Favor World Government? (with apologies to Aquinas)
By Kevin M. Doak **Question I: Does Benedict XVI advocate world government in Caritas in Veritate?
tinyurl.com/64v4a7y
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The only caveat with the “must come from the human heart” statement is that subsidiarity is the idea that matters should be handled by the smallest RELIABLE level. The needy can’t always just sit and bank on the goodness of the greedier class’ hearts.
 
Abu said:
We have to avoid allowing those, who want to misrepresent the Pope’s Caritas in Veritate, from misleading us.
See:
**The Catholic Thing
Friday, 11 September 2009
Does the Catholic Church Favor World Government? (with apologies to Aquinas)
By Kevin M. Doak **Question I: Does Benedict XVI advocate world government in Caritas in Veritate?
tinyurl.com/64v4a7y
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Although Pope Benedict’s encyclical is addressed to the lay faithful, I will say that for the average reader, Pope Benedict’s message is difficult to ascertain.

Kevin M. Doak brings in encyclicals from Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II to explain Pope Benedict’s point of view…
 
Jonatello said:
The only caveat with the “must come from the human heart” statement is that subsidiarity is the idea that matters should be handled by the smallest RELIABLE level. The needy can’t always just sit and bank on the goodness of the greedier class’ hearts.
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Lol There’s a “greedy class” now? What is it with people like you trying to divide everyone by class and income? Do you know any individual member of the “greedy class” that does not give something to charity? Or to their church or religion? (if they have one). I’m tired of this divisiveness, “1% vs. 99%,” and gross generalizations, “most rich people must be greedy and don’t want to help the less fortunate”. Classic Leftist tactics. When all else fails, initiate class warfare.

-Chris
 
Every class is greedy, some of them just make more money than others…

😃
 
One of the deadliest sins – the bile of envy. As William James succinctly put it – many who think they are thinking are merely rearranging their prejudices.
 
cmforte said:
And from: news.va/en/news/full-text-note-on-financial-reform-from-the-pontif :

Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace

TOWARDS REFORMING
THE INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL AND MONETARY SYSTEMS IN THE CONTEXT OF GLOBAL PUBLIC AUTHORITY

Vatican City
2011

An Authority over Globalization

Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in a way that Responds to the Needs of all Peoples

Conclusions
  1. An Authority over Globalization
On the way to building a more fraternal and just human family and, even before that, a new humanism open to transcendence, Blessed John XXIII’s teaching seems especially timely. In the prophetic Encyclical Pacem in Terris of 1963, he observed that the world was heading towards ever greater unification. He then acknowledged the fact that a correspondence was lacking in the human community between the political organization “on a world level and the objective needs of the universal common good”. He also expressed the hope that one day “a true world political authority” would be created.

In view of the unification of the world engendered by the complex phenomenon of globalization, and of the importance of guaranteeing, in addition to other collective goods, the good of a free, stable world economic and financial system at the service of the real economy, today the teaching of Pacem in Terris appears to be even more vital and worthy of urgent implementation.
I still can not find any official view from the Magisterium on it.
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Here’s a clear analysis of what went wrong and how to understand it.

"From what the average person could tell from the way the document was reported by some in the mainstream media, though, the document was fully back by the teaching authority of the pope himself.
Other than the fact that the press usually gets this kind of thing wrong,… how can the ordinary person tell which is right?
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PCJP is authorized, in normal circumstances, to issue doctrinally binding statements. The Council is said to study"

Read more: ncregister.com/blog/how-magisterial-was-mondays-finance-document/#ixzz1cJnvIlAn
Read more: ncregister.com/blog/how-magisterial-was-mondays-finance-document/#ixzz1cJmwR41T
 
Abu said:
One of the deadliest sins – the bile of envy. As William James succinctly put it – many who think they are thinking are merely rearranging their prejudices.
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I agree. Envy gets kicked up when the rich cut the deck to their convenience. Jesus points out that this world is short, and we have a duty to care for the poor. This may mean giving them stuff, as well as teaching them to fish, so to speak. It’s obviously better that people have jobs that can support them at a decent human level than the dole.
 
The latest confusion from the Pontifical Commission for Justice and Peace has this major problem:

This where the Commission muddied its waters after recognizing free markets
While the Commission “embraces a sound economic theory concerning the cause of the world financial crisis: the breakdown of the postwar Bretton Woods monetary system and the unleashing of fiat currencies and central-bank printing presses.”

“Contrary to what is being said, this document presumes the existence and continuation of ‘free and stable markets.’ The problem is that the Vatican imagines that a ‘world central bank’ and a ‘global public authority’ can do this with more competence than national governments that have a checkered history in this regard.

“It was centralization that caused this mess in the first place. Central banks created paper money, easy and limitless credit, and the moral hazard that accompanies them. Why should we believe that more centralization is the solution when experience suggests precisely the opposite?

“Somehow, with intelligence never before discovered in government bureaucracies, these proposed global authorities would create ‘socio-economic, political and legal conditions essential for the existence of markets that are efficient and efficacious.’ "
OCTOBER 27, 2011.
The Vatican’s Monetary Wisdom
By ROBERT A. SIRICO
tinyurl.com/3jdqnkn
 
Abu said:
The latest confusion from the Pontifical Commission for Justice and Peace has this major problem:

This where the Commission muddied its waters after recognizing free markets
While the Commission “embraces a sound economic theory concerning the cause of the world financial crisis: the breakdown of the postwar Bretton Woods monetary system and the unleashing of fiat currencies and central-bank printing presses.”

“Contrary to what is being said, this document presumes the existence and continuation of ‘free and stable markets.’ The problem is that the Vatican imagines that a ‘world central bank’ and a ‘global public authority’ can do this with more competence than national governments that have a checkered history in this regard.

“It was centralization that caused this mess in the first place. Central banks created paper money, easy and limitless credit, and the moral hazard that accompanies them. Why should we believe that more centralization is the solution when experience suggests precisely the opposite?

“Somehow, with intelligence never before discovered in government bureaucracies, these proposed global authorities would create ‘socio-economic, political and legal conditions essential for the existence of markets that are efficient and efficacious.’ "
OCTOBER 27, 2011.
The Vatican’s Monetary Wisdom
By ROBERT A. SIRICO
tinyurl.com/3jdqnkn
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Right on the nose.
 
Hello all of you lovely people, and thanks for letting me participate. I’m very happy there are forums like this because I am struggling very much with my Catholic faith and these kinds of questions. I am politically conservative and a faithful Catholic. As a faithful Catholic, I understand that my focus is not on perfecting the Earth or creating utopia here on Earth. Rather, it is in perfecting my will and making my actions and will conform to God’s will. More and more, I see people who want to force others to behave in ways in which they don’t naturally want to behave. It is very difficult, sometimes impossible to lead by example, by persuading through our personal actions, but I am convinced that is exactly the only persuasion which exists.

That written, my political conservative side reads the Note (it was not a document issued by the Vatican, but a committee and carried no papal stamp or authority) and goes beserk! Does anyone else see that in order to be Christ-like, we must have the ability, the freedom, to choose wrong? To choose sin? That our choices must not be co-erced by some outside global committee? Creation of any world governing body, with whatever good intentions those may be, is anathema to that individual freedom and will? I vehemently disagree with the suggestion that one-world government is good or right. It is the worst, most un-Christian type of oppression there is, yet a committee within Rome proposes just such nonsense? :mad:

It’s becoming difficult to explain or understand the social justice message from the Church. One one hand they propose that private property is good and just, but not too much of it or only when the owner conforms to certain behavior sanctioned by the Church? One of my professors described private property as a bundle of rights. If the Church seeks to remove enough of the sticks from the bundle, it ceases to be “private property”.
 
freshair said:
Hello all of you lovely people, and thanks for letting me participate. I’m very happy there are forums like this because I am struggling very much with my Catholic faith and these kinds of questions. I am politically conservative and a faithful Catholic. As a faithful Catholic, I understand that my focus is not on perfecting the Earth or creating utopia here on Earth. Rather, it is in perfecting my will and making my actions and will conform to God’s will. More and more, I see people who want to force others to behave in ways in which they don’t naturally want to behave. It is very difficult, sometimes impossible to lead by example, by persuading through our personal actions, but I am convinced that is exactly the only persuasion which exists.

That written, my political conservative side reads the Note (it was not a document issued by the Vatican, but a committee and carried no papal stamp or authority) and goes beserk! Does anyone else see that in order to be Christ-like, we must have the ability, the freedom, to choose wrong? To choose sin? That our choices must not be co-erced by some outside global committee? Creation of any world governing body, with whatever good intentions those may be, is anathema to that individual freedom and will? I vehemently disagree with the suggestion that one-world government is good or right. It is the worst, most un-Christian type of oppression there is, yet a committee within Rome proposes just such nonsense? :mad:

It’s becoming difficult to explain or understand the social justice message from the Church. One one hand they propose that private property is good and just, but not too much of it or only when the owner conforms to certain behavior sanctioned by the Church? One of my professors described private property as a bundle of rights. If the Church seeks to remove enough of the sticks from the bundle, it ceases to be “private property”.
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I think as others have mentioned (at least I have) the document was calling for something like a UN, but one with decent morality and that practices subsidiarity. At least that’s how I understood it.
 
freshair
I vehemently disagree with the suggestion that one-world government is good or right. It is the worst, most un-Christian type of oppression there is, yet a committee within Rome proposes just such nonsense?
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That’s precisely why you need to spend the time and take the trouble to find out what that social teaching is.
As social teaching is not a on a level with defined doctrine it should not be portrayed as such – “The Church’s social teaching proposes principles for reflection; it provides criteria for judgment; it gives guidelines for action:…” [CCC 2423].

The very authors of the document make clear how it should be evaluated: namely, as a “contribution” (as opposed to a mandate), as a “possible path” (as opposed to a moral proscription), in line with the Magisterium’s social teaching (as opposed to introducing a new teaching), without getting into the technical issues (because the Church is an expert in humanity, not economics) while fully staying within the Church’s religious and ethical functions.

However, the world authority is a poor proposal adding more bureaucracy to bureaucracies which are inefficient.

VATICAN CITY, November 11 (CNA/EWTN News)
A meeting was convoked Nov. 4 by the Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, to discuss the issue: the conclusion of the summit was a “binding order” which has gone out to all the offices of the Curia. That order clearly states that from now on nothing in writing is to be released without first being inspected and authorized by the Secretariat of State.
It’s becoming difficult to explain or understand the social justice message from the Church. One one hand they propose that private property is good and just, but not too much of it or only when the owner conforms to certain behavior sanctioned by the Church? One of my professors described private property as a bundle of rights. If the Church seeks to remove enough of the sticks from the bundle, it ceases to be “private property”.
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What precisely is your problem with the Church’ teaching on private property?
 
Ignatius said:
The committee for peace and justice is not “high places”. It is a committee that issues theoretical white papers. It is not the Magisterium and has run counter to the Magisterium a number of times.
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Well thank God for that.

My first reaction was that this pope needs to keep his big fat German mouth shut unless he’s making an official dogma. I was even beginning to wonder if seat of Peter was indeed vacant and my recent conversion to Catholicism a hoax.

I understand about the lefty Catholic groups. I live in Seattle. They’re rampant. Fortunately we just got a new bishop who’s on the orthodox side.

Here’s what the Evang. Prots. (I used to be one) are saying:

*Pope Benedict says that we need a world government.

That is one of the main themes of his brand new encyclical entitled Caritas in Veritate, or Charity in Truth. In it, Pope Benedict publicly calls for a “true world political authority” with “real teeth”. At a time when many other prominent world leaders are openly calling for a “New World Order”, to have the Roman Pontiff openly state that we need a world government is more than a little alarming, and it is yet another clear sign that we are living in the last days.

The 144 page encyclical is the result of an intensive 2 year effort by Pope Benedict to bring Catholic social teaching up to date on issues such as economic development, terrorism, sex tourism, population issues, bioethics and the environment.

As he called for world government in the encyclical, the Pope chose words that were very direct and to the point:

“There is a strongly felt need… for a reform of the United Nations Organisation, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth… there is urgent need of a true world political authority.”

“Real teeth”?

What in the world would a global government with “real teeth” look like?

According to Pope Benedict, the job of such a world political authority would be “to manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result.”

So it is not just a one world government that Pope Benedict is advocating.

He is also officially recommending that the one world government would “manage” a one world economic system.

Not only is Pope Benedict promoting a one world economic system, but he is promoting one that would be openly socialist. In the encyclical, Pope Benedict wrote that a one world economic system would “open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale”.

Has Pope Benedict been reading the writings of Karl Marx?

Since when is it the job of the Pope to advocate the “large-scale redistribution of wealth”?

Apparently that would mean taking wealth away from Americans and Europeans and giving it to others.

When Pope Benedict puts out an encyclical that recommends the adoption of a one world government and a one world economic system, it shows all of us how close to the last days that we really are.

What will Pope Benedict call for next?

A one world religion?

After all, most Bible prophecy scholars agree that three of the main pillars of the Antichrist’s system will be a one world government, a one world economic system (the Mark of the Beast, etc.) and a one world religion.

Pope Benedict’s declaration that we need a one world government and a one world economic system should be a huge wake up call for all of us.

We are in the last days.*
 
kim zef
My first reaction was that this pope needs to keep his big fat German mouth shut unless he’s making an official dogma. I was even beginning to wonder if seat of Peter was indeed vacant and my recent conversion to Catholicism a hoax.
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What a nasty reaction from one who is supposed to be a faithful Catholic, and how muddled over the immense gifts which Pope benedict XVI has displayed both before and after his succession to the See of Peter. As West Indians say “Put mind in gear before opening mouth.”

But the fact that the statement is merely from a Commission with no Magisterial authority should not have escaped anyone who is serious about supporting truth.

What faithful Catholics do is to seek the facts by going to the faithful Catholic commentators to explain the details.

Post #27 exposes the dissenting twist to the facts, and post #58 refers to the new reform of Curial procedure to avoid a repeat of the publication of such statements before proper review and certification for release.
 
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