Pope Declares-Non Catholics Do Not Possess the Full Truth

[Man]

It is not the “Jesus cares” which church you belong to, it is that the teachings and sacraments of the Catholic Church have the fullest truth of any church, and therefore impart the greatest saving grace. Jesus cares, if you divide the Church.

All things come from grace.

Which leads into free will.

Which leads into the salvation of others outside the Catholic Church.

 

[Man]

It is not the “Jesus cares” which church you belong to, it is that the teachings and sacraments of the Catholic Church have the fullest truth of any church, and therefore impart the greatest saving grace.

All things come from grace.

Which leads into free will.

Which leads into the salvation of others outside the Catholic Church.

Just to be clear, reading 2 Corinthians (I believe) it is clear that it is wrong to divide the Church. Thus, any who divided it were wrong. Which makes protestant churches wrong. And to some degree Eastern Churches wrong. Which the document in question regards as a “wound.”

On the other hand, according to the second council of Nicea, it is imperative that the Church not cut off any part of the Tradition, or it be “deposed.” Thus, it can’t simply “become” a protestant church like organization. It has to remain as it always was. It is allowed to grow and cultivate, but it must always be done in line with the Revelation, the Deposit of Faith, and the Magesterium.

 

[Man]

Hi
I love Catholics for their courtesy and open mindedness.
I don’t agree with your view point.

Thank you.

First: It is too restrictive.
Second: It creates hatred towards other denominations, and hence unity.
Third: It hampers free will and free thinking.

You know that we agree with what that statement explicitly states, but not what it implies.

I tried to be gentle and reflect on things that were pertinent to you own unique faith.

 

[guanophore]

Hi
Kindly tell me know for how long James or John took care of Mary?

Until her dormition.

Nobdy gives any detail regarding that. Why?

Probably because the followers of Christ were being beaten, imprisoned, and murdered.

Since now Catholic make statues of her and keep them in the churches; they must have detail account of Mary’s after when Jesus departed last from Galilee.

This is an illogical conclusion. We have the image of the Holy Spirit as a dove also, does that mean we have detailed understanding? Certainly not. Are you thinking Jesus took His mother with HIm into India when He left Galilee? If that is the case, maybe YOU should produce the proof?

Did John wrote this detail, as Jesus had trusted her in his care or James did it.

The only detail John wrote about Mary after her death is found in the book of Revelation, where he describes her as she appears in heaven.

Why could’t they come
to show the trust reposed in them by Jesus?

There were many truths Jesus instructed the Apostles to keep to themselves, or to wait until the proper time for them to be revealed. In this case, the Apostolic successors have revealed to the Church the truth reposed to them by Jesus.

Did they disregard his intructions ? Please don’t mind.
Thanks

They were told to go into all the world and preach the gospel, which they did.

What I mind, paarsurrey, is the pandering of untruths about the Christian faith.

 

[guanophore]

That was where he told her, to mind her own business.

I think you are misunderstanding this scripture, lavazza. In the first place, Jesus is her business, from the moment the angel Gabriel came to her. Look at the passage. What does Mary command the servants? “Do whatever He tells you”. This statement defines the whole business of Mary.

Secondly, if Jesus were telling her to “mind her own business”, then why would he then answer her prayer? He fixed the problem, just as she asked. Sounds like He was minding her business too!

 

[guanophore]

(becoming Catholic).

First: It is too restrictive. /

Please explain what this means.
paarsurrey;2491076:

Second: It creates hatred towards other denominations, and hence unity.

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Why would becoming Catholic make you hateful?

Third: It hampers free will and free thinking.
paarsurrey;2491076:

I do agree that within the church members, there should be no politics and revolt/conspiracy against the head of the church. It is a matter of pride for the Catholics that they have a systems that is working for centuries.

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I think this is a matter of the Holy Spirit, more in SPITE of the pride of man.

One could differ with the Head of the church in a respectful manner without harming the system, and it should be acceptable to the head also. It is GodAllahYHWH only who is infallible, none else.

/

Truly, no one can even recognize infallible truth unless it is revealed to him by God, just as God revealed the truth to Peter about Christ. Truly an infallible statement if ever one was made!

“You are the messiah, the Son of the Living God”.

 

[estesbob]

Hi
I appreciate you viewpoint.
Thanks

Yes-the viewpont of a “catholic” who does not have a clue to what the teachings, doctrines and dogma’s of the Church are. Would you appreciate my view on the Theory of relativity if you found I had no idea what it was?

 

[estesbob]

Hi
I think he/she has not done any open revolt against the church or damaged it, she is only giving her opinion and differing with other’s opinion that is her right. If, she finds peace in Catholicism why she should be deprived from this peace, and suggested to go elsewhere.
Thanks

How can one find peace in a Church they dont beleive in?

 

[SFLCatholic]

I guess that is what I would expect this Pope to say considering his personal history, being a fan of Hitler

Its typical for a person who has a weak claim, such as Protestantism, to make personal attacks.

The down side to making such personal attacks is that it makes you, Allis Chalmers, look like an idiot. It only gives more weight to the fact that you have no argument for Protestantism.

Otherwise, you would have debated the infallible Pope’s position on the ideas alone. But you can’t do that because you know the Pope is right, hence the personal attack.

Catholicism is the True Faith as set forth by Jesus. Why don’t you join us in the fullness of Faith and become Catholic?

 

[believers]

You’ll need to put some thought into this:

“None but the Lamb is worthy to be slain!”

And in the same line:

“Well done good and faithful servant.”

Implies some work was accomplished (done).

Rom 14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Rom 14:12
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

[Gene_Church]

Thanks be to God that we have a Pope willing to express the fullness of truth, as found in the Catholic faith. Those who truly read what the Vatican has stated, either Catholic or non Catholic, have nothing against the statements. They might not agree, but they understand where the Church comes from.

 

[Milliardo]

Rom 14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Rom 14:12
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Are these passages for the defense of sola fide? If they are, they’re very poor defenses…

 

[Vivan]

first of all. I do not believe in praying the rosary. i can pray to jesus directly. second, when mary stuck her nose in jesus ministry, he told her he was here to do his fathers works, not here for her.

Tantum ergo: you are funny.

Let me ask you a few questions?

Who put together the first writings that make up our bible?

what are the 3 oldest Codex’s?

Why is acts chapter 29 left out of our bible? The alexandrian has it included. you are talking to no dummie.

I do believe you are a Jeovha’s witness ( sorry about spelling)
I was having a “free biblical study” which I prefered to call it “study of the magazine of the Jeovhas witness”

love, Gabriela

 

[Roger_Wissinger]

If you want to see a interesting forum on this issue go to www.ocala.com and you’ll see what I had to put up with. I don’t mind people disagreeing but when they say that the Catholic Church was started by the devil and we’re not christians, I won’t go back there. I was surprised that they didn’t say that we had horns. I find you can’t talk to subjects with this mind set…
You’ll see my replys to some members.
Right now I see that B16 as a target on his back and anything he writes or says is taken out of context or people don’t bother to reading his work. I pray for the pope everyday and thank God we have him. I think I’ll stay here from now on.

 

[guanophore]

i have done quite a bit of study, of our church. did you know that most of our rictuals come from babalon? Why is it we celibrate jesus birth on dec 25th?. if you read ther gosples closely, you would find he was born in the fall, around the feast of the tabernacles. one of many errors our chuch teaches. As as far as replying, i can see you are a catholic that leaves your brain at the churches door. i do not, i want to find the truth.

I hope you are having too many nightcaps. Either that, or your spelling is as pitiful a reflection of your “catholic education” as your theology.

If you did know Catholic theology, you would know that the Church has the authority to proclaim any day she wants as a feast day.

If you believe that, as a Catholic, you must leave your brain at the door, I strongly urge you to avoid reading the early church fathers and Thomas Acquinas, as well as the writings of our current pope, who is a scholar in his own right.

However, it is clear from your posts that you are no longer, if you ever were, Catholic.

i feel bad for you. just brain washed. jesus would want us to find the truth, not follow what we are told. You are more concerned with the law, you sound like james. read paul more closely. works are dead. faith and trust is what jesus is looking for. not following every little law.

The two things are not mutually exclusinve lavazza. One can search for the truth at the same time one does what one is told. Jesus taught that the teachings should be followed by the faithful, even if the teachers themselves were a poor role model.

Jesus also taught that we should fulfill the law, just as He did.

I challenge you, using Paul, to show that works are dead.

 

[guanophore]

Marcian did. he only put the gospel of luke and pauls writings together. that is why council of nicea was held. So i suggest you study to find out the true historical facts of our church. instead of passing judgement on other catholics beliefs of our church. Never was a good speller, My profs in college took pity on me. lol. Spelling does not make a person. The heart does.

In that case, we are in more trouble than I thought!

Oh, I see, you love the church, but don’t believe the Pope? Well, I understand many perspectives, but it is important to understand the Pope’s. Thus, you thoroughly confused me…

lavazza may have been a cradle catholic that left the church due to an inadequate education. Lavazza has also been duped by a plethora of anticatholic doctrines.

 

[paarsurrey]

as a Catholic, you must leave your brain at the door,

Hi
Is the above quote from Jesus’ mouth? I don’t thinks so.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

I think I’ll stay here from now on.

Hi
You are welcome here.
Thanks

 

[guanophore]

Our church has lost its vision. I have been to the vatican many times, With all the wealth there, i do jnot think jusus would approve. he would sell most of it and help the poor correct? what about all the wheeling dealing with the nazi’s? investing in companies that make birth control? The vatican banking scandels? that is where our church has lost its vision. only with pope john paul 2, it comming back, but who knows with these new.popes. this new one has already made many blunders, so that is why i wonder, if he is really infallible.

Here is more evidence that you are not catholic, or are a very poorly educated Catholic. Clearly you don’t understand what fallibility is about with regard to the Pope.

What did “this new one” do that you considered a “blunder”?

 

[lavazza]

roger,

they are nuts, i am the first to question our church, but to say we are started by the devil is crazy. most people today will look at you like you are nuts, if you say you believe in satan. theydo not realize spirtial warfare is all around, This spiritual war is the most important one we have ever fought. never mind about ww2 etc. they are babies play compared to this, just pray for that place, the god lord will take take of them, as he see’s fit.