Pope Francis: better for families to be tired, struggling than isolated, seeking luxury [CWN]

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*Emphasizing the love of God the Father throughout history, Pope Francis described the kingdom of God as “a kingdom which has the feeling of family, the flavor of a life shared.”

“Today we see how on different fronts the family is weakened and questioned,” the Pope said. “It is regarded as a model which has done its time, but which has no place in our societies; these, claiming to be modern, increasingly favor a model based on isolation.”

He continued:

Societies become increasingly inoculated – they refer to themselves as societies which are free, democratic, sovereign – but they are inoculated by ideological colonizations which destroy; and we end up being ideological colonies that then have a destructive effect on families, the family cell, which is the basis of every healthy society.

It is true that living in family is not always easy, and can often be painful and stressful but, as I have often said referring to the Church, I prefer a wounded family that makes daily efforts to put love into play, to a family and society that is sick from isolationism or a habitual fear of love. I prefer a family that makes repeated efforts to begin again, to a family and society that is narcissistic and obsessed with luxury and comfort.

How many children do you have? “No, we don’t have children as we like to go on holidays, be tourists, and I want to buy a villa.” Luxury and comfort without children, and yet, when you then want a child, it’s too late. This is so harmful, is it not? I prefer a family with tired faces from generous giving, to a family with faces full of makeup that know nothing of tenderness and compassion.*

Here is the text of his speech to families. He is talking about the evils of societal models based on isolation, and purposefully avoiding having any children for the sake of luxury. These are real things in the world today.

Couples are choosing to marry but remain child free, through contraception, sterilization and abortion. Note the moniker “child free”, not “childless”. They are redefining marriage as a pursuit of pleasure. I have read about this growing trend. It is happening all over the world.

And things such as “bedroom communities”, where the neighborhoods are totally empty during the day, and the entire household leaves to go to long work hours and school and after-school care and extracurriculars, coming home just in time to sleep and shower. This is a real thing, too. Ironically, these homes are often huge. But people get into their car in their garage and drive to work and drive from place to place and drive home straight into their garage, and they never see or speak to a neighbor or a friend. Neighbors live side by side for decades and never see each other’s faces.

Everyone will experience loneliness and feeling like outsiders now and then. Every family will struggle with the question of family planning and family size, at least for a little bit of time. These are not the models of isolation and the exclusion of children in pursuit of luxury.

I know Pope Framcis often says things that can be upsetting to lots of people, because he tends to speak more about lifestyle than about dogma, but in my opinion, this is one statement of his that we can feel encouraged by. If you are feeling tired and stretched and giving until it hurts sometimes and seeking out friendships with others, mutually supportive ones, then he is speaking to you. He wants to see your tired faces, your self-sacrificing hearts, because those are far more beautiful than the most rested, beautifully made-up face of a person that serves only themselves.
Well it doesn’t relate with everyone. The infertile are excluded and made to feel like we are second class because we can’t be generous childbearing couples, therefore we must be selfish rich people wich is so far from the truth in our (and many) couples with this struggle. Just saying it doesn’t fit everyone.
 
You are right. Not everything is within our control. All we can do is stay close to the Lord and trust He has our best interests in mind. We can and should take steps to remedy situations. Not doing anything or simply making a plan without action or talking but not moving will get us no where at all. I am a very shy person. Growing up in a huge family made it easy to avoid attention because I could deflect it to other people if I needed or wanted to. I had to force myself to get out of my comfort zone to advocate for my sons (drs don’t always like to listen to moms) and to be the first to start a conversation in order to make friends and meet people. My mom has a hard time believing I can talk to strangers in a grocery store because at one point in my life I went almost two years with only speaking to family and still only if necessary. I’m not naturally outgoing. But when life puts you in uncomfortable situations there aren’t many options. **You can work on changing yourself or you can stay isolated, miserable, lonely and stuck. As a daughter, sister, wife, and mother I couldn’t do that to my parents, siblings, husband, and kids. There comes a point when unhappiness and self pity become selfish. **There’s no other option than working on yourself. I can’t change other people and often life situations are out of my control as well. Happiness, peace and spiritual joy are internal. We are never truly isolated if we take steps to foster our relationship with God. The saints and angels are sometimes the only friends we feel we have. With their love and support we can have hope that the hardship in life can and will in time no longer concern us. When life gets hard we can find hope in the struggles knowing they unit us with Christ. It truly is beautiful.
About a month ago, I signed up for a mother/child meetup group in my biggish town. It has around 25 people in it and has a lot of events.

Here’s my after action review of how it’s gone:

January

–went to a zoo meetup–about 4 other mothers with kids–fun!!!
–went to a play gym meetup hoping to meet some of the moms from the zoo–turned out that I was the only one who came–even the organizer didn’t–but I went around asking strange ladies who were chatting “are you with XYZ mom and tots group?” Not fun.
–went to a play gym meetup–this time there were actual attendees other than myself–but it took me half the open gym time to locate anybody from the group. Probably chatted 10 minutes at most. Not really worth the drive.

February

–I scheduled a children’s museum meetup for this morning–my first ever event. There was a bunch of activity on the signup–a couple nos, some praise for the exhibit, one sign-up, and then one late cancellation–her kid was sick. I also asked three different moms I know with appropriate aged children–1) busy, 2) kid out of town and 3) didn’t get in time. So, nobody. I went anyway, waited around at the entrance just in case, talked two minutes to a mom at the music exhibit, then managed to catch my sister at a good time and we talked while Baby Girl did the exhibits.

I’ve also joined the Catholic mothers’ meetup, but so far nothing really strikes my fancy or suits our schedule. (I did NOT want to hire a sitter for a bajillion dollars and go to a Valentine’s dance with my husband with a bunch of complete strangers or leave my family after dark, drive to a book group for a book I’m not interested in, and then drive home alone in the dark, etc. I don’t need evening stuff when I have school kid responsibilities–I need morning activities to do with Baby Girl.)

We’ve also done a lot more the last month or so with a number of other families.

I’m trying! It’s just a slow process, and rather confidence-killing.

Another thing I notice is the stress-depression dilemma. On the one hand, it is stressful to arrange things and stressful to go to events. But on the other hand, if you do what a lot of people advise and stop doing stuff, that’s the road to isolation and depression. So, there are perils in either direction–either you’re stressed out or you’re lonely–it’s really hard to find a happy medium.
 
I have come to the point where I just ignore news articles about what the Pope has purportedly said and just go read the entire speech. Usually his speeches are a lot more reasonable than what the media portray it to be.
There is that.
 
Well it doesn’t relate with everyone. The infertile are excluded and made to feel like we are second class because we can’t be generous childbearing couples, therefore we must be selfish rich people wich is so far from the truth in our (and many) couples with this struggle. Just saying it doesn’t fit everyone.
You know that’s not true. Many people are infertile. That doesn’t make them selfish. It’s very difficult to accept gracefully the cross of infertility. Purposely excluding children is far different than being childless. Where your heart aches for a child, their hearts are hardened against them.
 
About a month ago, I signed up for a mother/child meetup group in my biggish town. It has around 25 people in it and has a lot of events.

Here’s my after action review of how it’s gone:

January

–went to a zoo meetup–about 4 other mothers with kids–fun!!!
–went to a play gym meetup hoping to meet some of the moms from the zoo–turned out that I was the only one who came–even the organizer didn’t–but I went around asking strange ladies who were chatting “are you with XYZ mom and tots group?” Not fun.
–went to a play gym meetup–this time there were actual attendees other than myself–but it took me half the open gym time to locate anybody from the group. Probably chatted 10 minutes at most. Not really worth the drive.

February

–I scheduled a children’s museum meetup for this morning–my first ever event. There was a bunch of activity on the signup–a couple nos, some praise for the exhibit, one sign-up, and then one late cancellation–her kid was sick. I also asked three different moms I know with appropriate aged children–1) busy, 2) kid out of town and 3) didn’t get in time. So, nobody. I went anyway, waited around at the entrance just in case, talked two minutes to a mom at the music exhibit, then managed to catch my sister at a good time and we talked while Baby Girl did the exhibits.

I’ve also joined the Catholic mothers’ meetup, but so far nothing really strikes my fancy or suits our schedule. (I did NOT want to hire a sitter for a bajillion dollars and go to a Valentine’s dance with my husband with a bunch of complete strangers or leave my family after dark, drive to a book group for a book I’m not interested in, and then drive home alone in the dark, etc. I don’t need evening stuff when I have school kid responsibilities–I need morning activities to do with Baby Girl.)

We’ve also done a lot more the last month or so with a number of other families.

I’m trying! It’s just a slow process, and rather confidence-killing.

Another thing I notice is the stress-depression dilemma. On the one hand, it is stressful to arrange things and stressful to go to events. But on the other hand, if you do what a lot of people advise and stop doing stuff, that’s the road to isolation and depression. So, there are perils in either direction–either you’re stressed out or you’re lonely–it’s really hard to find a happy medium.
Xantippe

Nothing I’ve posted here has been aimed at you specifically. I’m sorry if you are taking it as being said to you. If you’re working towards a better place then that’s all you can really do. Take pride in your accomplishments! Even baby steps should be celebrated. Don’t forget to thank God for the little things along the way. It really helps to voice that out loud as a reminder to yourself of His little gifts and helping hands. It relieves a lot if anxiety when you can visualize all the times He’s truly provided. It helps build trust.
 
Xantippe

**Nothing I’ve posted here has been aimed at you specifically. I’m sorry if you are taking it as being said to you. **If you’re working towards a better place then that’s all you can really do. Take pride in your accomplishments! Even baby steps should be celebrated. Don’t forget to thank God for the little things along the way. It really helps to voice that out loud as a reminder to yourself of His little gifts and helping hands. It relieves a lot if anxiety when you can visualize all the times He’s truly provided. It helps build trust.
Who was it directed at, then?
 
Not you specifically. More than just you read these posts. Most comments here are pretty general not aimed at anyone specifically.
 
If you mean the part you bolded in my other post that really wasn’t about you. I was the one that had to change me. That’s exactly what the post was about. It had nothing to do with you. It was in response to another poster even, but not about that person either. I had to change me. I was allowing my shyness to prevent me from taking care of things in my life. I had to change that.
 
If you mean the part you bolded in my other post that really wasn’t about you. I was the one that had to change me. That’s exactly what the post was about. It had nothing to do with you. It was in response to another poster even, but not about that person either. I had to change me. I was allowing my shyness to prevent me from taking care of things in my life. I had to change that.
Me too. I struggle so much with social anxiety and I have had to pray and persevere. God has been using my battle with social anxiety (and a few bouts of depression) to help me grow in humility and becoming more other-oriented and less self-conscious. And He has used my circumstances too, which have included lots of times of unhappy isolation and loneliness and being excluded and forgotten.
 
Living a very mobile lifestyle has a way of cracking that shell we put around ourselves. As much as I never wanted to be a military wife (my dad was military so I knew what it was like already) it is exactly what I needed. Something about being in a foreign country not speaking the language and your husband deploys leaving you stranded pregnant and with kids makes you realize you’ve got to figure out how to make things work and a support system of some sort has got to be put into place. I know it was very hard but it taught me that there’s really nothing standing in my way of achieving anything except myself. Being shy has it’s advantages. We are usually the people others seek out when they want one on one conversation. You have fewer friends but the friendships end up stronger.
 
Living a very mobile lifestyle has a way of cracking that shell we put around ourselves. As much as I never wanted to be a military wife (my dad was military so I knew what it was like already) it is exactly what I needed. Something about being in a foreign country not speaking the language and your husband deploys leaving you stranded pregnant and with kids makes you realize you’ve got to figure out how to make things work and a support system of some sort has got to be put into place. I know it was very hard but it taught me that there’s really nothing standing in my way of achieving anything except myself. Being shy has it’s advantages. We are usually the people others seek out when they want one on one conversation. You have fewer friends but the friendships end up stronger.
What is hilarious is that I refused to be a military wife. I told my husband I wouldn’t even consider it when he was being approached by the Naval recruiters about the idea of a nuclear sub career. Little did I know that very often a civilian engineer has a lifestyle that approximates military life in terms of being gone a lot and moving around a lot. Engineers going on contracts can be similar to deployments at times, in terms of separation, and the need to follow the best jobs around from one part of the country to the other requires extreme mobility.
Now that my husband has recently grabbed the brass ring of engineering, even now I feel restless, getting mentally prepared for the next major move that may never come. Just when we have gotten really good at moving and starting over, he gets the job that everyone stays with until they get their gold watch. It is bizarre.
I never thought life with an engineer would be this nomadic. I did have to put my foot down about Shanghai while pregnant though. No way did I want to move halfway around the world while I was getting close to delivering my baby, with 4 others in tow, which I speak only four words of Chinese. :eek:
 
What is hilarious is that I refused to be a military wife. I told my husband I wouldn’t even consider it when he was being approached by the Naval recruiters about the idea of a nuclear sub career. Little did I know that very often a civilian engineer has a lifestyle that approximates military life in terms of being gone a lot and moving around a lot. Engineers going on contracts can be similar to deployments at times, in terms of separation, and the need to follow the best jobs around from one part of the country to the other requires extreme mobility.
Now that my husband has recently grabbed the brass ring of engineering, even now I feel restless, getting mentally prepared for the next major move that may never come. Just when we have gotten really good at moving and starting over, he gets the job that everyone stays with until they get their gold watch. It is bizarre.
I never thought life with an engineer would be this nomadic. I did have to put my foot down about Shanghai while pregnant though. No way did I want to move halfway around the world while I was getting close to delivering my baby, with 4 others in tow, which I speak only four words of Chinese. :eek:
What’s even funnier is my husband initial joined the Army to go to college. He wanted to be an engineer…

College never happened but I think he enjoys the Army more anyway. He was kind of born to be a soldier.
 
Living a very mobile lifestyle has a way of cracking that shell we put around ourselves. As much as I never wanted to be a military wife (my dad was military so I knew what it was like already) it is exactly what I needed. Something about being in a foreign country not speaking the language and your husband deploys leaving you stranded pregnant and with kids makes you realize you’ve got to figure out how to make things work and a support system of some sort has got to be put into place. I know it was very hard but it taught me that there’s really nothing standing in my way of achieving anything except myself. Being shy has it’s advantages. We are usually the people others seek out when they want one on one conversation. You have fewer friends but the friendships end up stronger.
From my understanding, the military lifestyle brings together many people who move a lot and who may be in “need” of local friends. It’s not always quite so easy to move someplace and make close friends in other circumstances, such as if most of the people around you has known each other for their entire lives and already have busy lives filled with friends and family.

Nor is it easy when dear friends move away. Xantippe mentioned that a close friend had moved recently. I remember years ago that a dear friend of mine broke down in tears when I told her we were moving. :crying: The people who move generally understand that they’ll need to be ready to make new friends, but the friends who remain behind might find those friends who moved away difficult to replace. The book of Sirach says “A faithful friends is a sturdy shelter. He who finds one, finds a treasure.” Some friendships are treasures that simply cannot be replaced. I’m still good friends with the friend I moved away from years ago, but talking with her on the phone is not the same as being there.

I really like people, but I’m on the shy side too. I know what you mean about having fewer friends but stronger friendships. But I don’t know exactly what Pope Francis means by what he said in the first article linked. Isolated and seeking luxury??? I don’t get it. I don’t know what he means. 🤷 But I’m glad it makes Pope Francis happy to see us when we’re tired. I guess I bring that man a great deal more joy than I thought I did.
 
If a parent is looking for health insurance that meets the requirements of Obamacare they can join Samaritan Health or another similar health care sharing group. They cover for an extremely small amount and there’s no additional charges for more children. There us also the option of children’s health insurance coverage (CHIP) through the state if they qualify. You could mention those things to them and see if it eases their minds a little. There are always options if we are willing to look for them.
My dear friend is on the verge of medical bankruptcy. CHIP is terrible insurance…almost no doctors take it in our state. So, our community came together to buy them a quality policy.
 
If a parent is looking for health insurance that meets the requirements of Obamacare they can join Samaritan Health or another similar health care sharing group. They cover for an extremely small amount and there’s no additional charges for more children. There us also the option of children’s health insurance coverage (CHIP) through the state if they qualify. You could mention those things to them and see if it eases their minds a little. There are always options if we are willing to look for them.
However, if you don’t have two pennies to rub together, there aren’t a lot of options. This woman lost her husband to pancreatic cancer, has two sons (my son’s friends) and just had twins. No life insurance. Sometimes it ain’t that easy. Trust me, I have been doing everything in my power to help her.
 
We don’t always live near post so I do know what it’s like moving into non transient areas. In some ways it’s harder but surprisingly it’s often easier to get settled in non military communities. Right now for example. We live an hour and a half from post. Not at all a military community and most if our neighbors have lived here for several generations.

It is hard when you move at first or when friends move. Regardless of the situation it’s still hard. We tend to keep in contact with our friends but I know many times that isn’t an option.

I really think the isolation the pope is speaking if is self imposed isolation. People that isolate themselves from family and society because they want to be alone, and by doing so they are isolating themselves from God and His gifts. It’s done out of selfishness in order to not share with others or to be bothered by others. Many people have tons of friends but are purposely not close to anyone. They don’t speak to neighbors and look down on others.

But once again, I was not speaking about Xantippe. I am sorry if she or any one else took it that way. I was describing myself and how I realized I had to change myself.
 
My dear friend is on the verge of medical bankruptcy. CHIP is terrible insurance…almost no doctors take it in our state. So, our community came together to buy them a quality policy.
CHIP in most states is excellent.

I’m glad the community pulled together for them. That shows you all aren’t so isolated
 
However, if you don’t have two pennies to rub together, there aren’t a lot of options. This woman lost her husband to pancreatic cancer, has two sons (my son’s friends) and just had twins. No life insurance. Sometimes it ain’t that easy. Trust me, I have been doing everything in my power to help her.
Those are suggestions and a step in seeking other solutions. Most people in your friends situation qualify for government assistance at least temporarily. If they don’t, the human resource workers are able to get them hooked up with places and resources available in your specific area.

If I were you in would have her contact the social service providers in your area. They can and will find appropriate help. I assure you there is plenty out there if she’s willing to go get it.
 
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But I don’t know exactly what Pope Francis means by what he said in the first article linked. Isolated and seeking luxury??? I don’t get it. I don’t know what he means. 🤷 But I’m glad it makes Pope Francis happy to see us when we’re tired. I guess I bring that man a great deal more joy than I thought I did.
I took Pope Francis as talking about the Church as a family. We can’t split ourselves into separate groups, isolating us from each other. We must come together as a whole family, non-Catholics as well. It’s easier to deal with just those that we agree with (the luxury part) but we isolate ourselves from each other when we do so…

At least, that’s what I got out of it.

I can’t say I’m a big fan of Papa’s oratory skills, but his love and care for us can’t be beat! 👍

Xiantippe, my prayers for you today. Loneliness is tough, but my best friends have been found through adoration. :grouphug:
 
Here is Vatican Radios report and transcript of the day in which Pope Francis talked about isolationism as a bad model of society.

en.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/02/15/pope_francis_meets_with_mexican_families/1208919

He had first listened to testimonies given by various people demonstrating outreach Catholic style. He then referred to some of those testaments in his speech to show the opposite of the isolationist model.

I hope it seems more clear to people through this article. He is talking about a type of attitude when he says ‘isolationism’. One that excludes helping others and excludes outreach within your community. Just being concerned with your own advancement and not identifying as part of a whole community.
 
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