Pope Francis Expands Ordinariate to some Catholics

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Pope Francis has expanded the Ordinariate for Anglicans to Catholics who have been baptized Catholic, however, have not received their First Holy Communion or Confirmation.

I am not positive if it was clear whether those Catholics can be admitted if they have received either Holy Communion or Confirmation, but if they have received neither then they can become a member in the Ordinariate.

This was a surprise and hopefully it will bring back fallen away Catholics who left the Church.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
The following paragraph was added to the Norms of the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham:
A person who has been baptised in the Catholic Church but who has not completed the Sacraments of Initiation, and subsequently returns to the faith and practice of the Church as a result of the evangelising mission of the Ordinariate, may be admitted to membership in the Ordinariate and receive the Sacrament of Confirmation or the Sacrament of the Eucharist or both.
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So a baptized Catholic who has not been confirmed and/or has not received communion, may join the Ordinariate. This allows the Ordinariate to participate in the re-evangelization.
 
Could someone explain this to me? I was not aware that there was any barrier to baptised Catholics returning to the Catholic Church. A cousin of mine was baptised Catholic but raised agnostic by his never-Catholic parents. When he wanted to marry a Catholic he was quickly taught the basics and was confirmed and recieved his first communion.

This was, of course, many years ago when it wasn’t required that the parents be Catholic.
 
Sorry for being thick, but I don’t quite get what this is saying.

So a person who was baptised Ctholic as a child but later joined the Anglican Church may now join the Ordinariat without having to be re-baptised. Wouldn’t that have been the case anyway, as a Baptism is not something you can undo?
 
Bonnie said:
Could someone explain this to me? I was not aware that there was any barrier to baptised Catholics returning to the Catholic Church. A cousin of mine was baptised Catholic but raised agnostic by his never-Catholic parents. When he wanted to marry a Catholic he was quickly taught the basics and was confirmed and recieved his first communion.

This was, of course, many years ago when it wasn’t required that the parents be Catholic.
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I think this is designed for people who were baptized Catholic, but prefer the Anglican Ordinariate rather than the ‘regular Latin Rite’ - not sure exactly how to phrase that but I hope that conveys the point. If they haven’t received the final 2 Sacraments of Initiation, they have that option to join the Anglican Ordinariate.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
Sorry for being thick, but I don’t quite get what this is saying.

So a person who was baptised Ctholic as a child but later joined the Anglican Church may now join the Ordinariat without having to be re-baptised. Wouldn’t that have been the case anyway, as a Baptism is not something you can undo?
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It stops itself after “being baptized Catholic” - they could have been baptized Catholic, become atheist, agnostic, polytheist, etc, but because of their Baptism, the Church always recognizes them as Catholics. Now, if they wish to return to the Catholic Church and have not been Confirmed or received First Communion, they can choose to come back under the ‘regular Latin Rite’ (again, trouble phrasing this) or under the Anglican Ordinariate.
 
Oh - so the Ordinate is a Rite, like the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church. Rather an awkward term, is it not?

If there were one around here, I would like to attend a liturgy. I’ve been told that the Anglican services are more Catholic than the modern Catholic liturgy. I know a woman who was raised in the pre-Vatican II Church. She visited an Aglican church with a friend and was moved to tears. She said it was so much like what she grew up with.
 
Bonnie said:
Oh - so the Ordinate is a Rite, like the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church. Rather an awkward term, is it not?

If there were one around here, I would like to attend a liturgy. I’ve been told that the Anglican services are more Catholic than the modern Catholic liturgy. I know a woman who was raised in the pre-Vatican II Church. She visited an Aglican church with a friend and was moved to tears. She said it was so much like what she grew up with.
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I am not sure if it is a ‘rite’, which is why I’ve had to tip-toe in referring to the ‘regular Latin Rite’ because I believe the Ordinariate falls under the Latin Rite, just with a different form and some different priestly disciplines, although I could be wrong about this.
 
I wonder why they chose to call it an ordinariate. I had first thought it was some sort of strange ordination!
 
Bonnie said:
Could someone explain this to me? I was not aware that there was any barrier to baptised Catholics returning to the Catholic Church. A cousin of mine was baptised Catholic but raised agnostic by his never-Catholic parents. When he wanted to marry a Catholic he was quickly taught the basics and was confirmed and recieved his first communion.

This was, of course, many years ago when it wasn’t required that the parents be Catholic.
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There is no barrier for anyone returning to the Catholic Church, but there is a barrier for people coming into the Catholic church through the Anglican Ordinariates. As originally legislated, only former Anglicans and their families can become formal members of the Ordinariates. Everyone else entered through the diocese of the place where they live. Pope Francis expanded Ordinariate membership a bit to those who have not completed their Confirmation and First Communion.
 
Bonnie said:
Oh - so the Ordinate is a Rite, like the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church. Rather an awkward term, is it not?

If there were one around here, I would like to attend a liturgy. I’ve been told that the Anglican services are more Catholic than the modern Catholic liturgy. I know a woman who was raised in the pre-Vatican II Church. She visited an Aglican church with a friend and was moved to tears. She said it was so much like what she grew up with.
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No, an Ordinariate is like a Diocese. It’s not a Rite or a church. Members of the Anglican Ordinariates are part of the Latin Church and their liturgy is the Roman Rite, but according to what’s called the Anglican Use. And yes, the Anglican Use is an extraordinarily beautiful liturgy. I find it very English and yet very Roman.

It’s called an Ordinariate because it has a similar jurisdiction and scope as a diocese and is headed by an Ordinary, just like a diocese is. A diocese’s Ordinary is normally its Bishop. The Anglican Ordinariate can also be theoretically headed by a Bishop but as of right now, the Ordinaries of the three Anglican Ordinarates are all married former Anglican/Episcopal priests. They are therefore ineligible for ordination as bishops, so they have been given Ordinary power over their Ordinariates with the title of Monsignor. Except for the power to ordain, they exercise the same powers as bishops do over their dioceses.
 
Bonnie said:
I wonder why they chose to call it an ordinariate. I had first thought it was some sort of strange ordination!
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It’s called an ordinariate because it’s a structure headed by an Ordinary. It’s not a diocese because the Ordinariates are not tied to territories, but rather to a particular group of people. The other type of Ordinariate that is not tied to territory is the Military Ordinariate, whose Ordinary is normally a bishop (e.g. Bishop Donald Theriault of the Military Ordinariate of Canada, Archbishop Timothy Broglio for the United States).
 
Thanks for the explanations. Around here we just have plain vanilla Catholic parishes. It must be interesting to live where there are different flavors. 🙂
 
Bonnie said:
Thanks for the explanations. Around here we just have plain vanilla Catholic parishes. It must be interesting to live where there are different flavors. 🙂
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I’m blessed. Calgary has three Catholic jurisdictions:
  1. The Roman Catholic Diocese of Calgary. This includes the Latin Mass I attend.
  2. The Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Edmonton. This allows me to attend the Ukrainian Divine Liturgy every so often. It’s also very beautiful.
  3. The Anglican Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, Canadian Deanery of St. John the Baptist. The former Anglican parish of St. John the Evangelist was the first Canadian Anglican group to join the Ordinariate.
 
porthos11 said:
There is no barrier for anyone returning to the Catholic Church, but there is a barrier for people coming into the Catholic church through the Anglican Ordinariates. As originally legislated, only former Anglicans and their families can become formal members of the Ordinariates. Everyone else entered through the diocese of the place where they live. Pope Francis expanded Ordinariate membership a bit to those who have not completed their Confirmation and First Communion.
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Right. The ‘barrier’ is there to prevent Catholics from switching from their regular diocese to the Ordinariate ‘for purely subjective motives or personal preference’. The Church does not want the Ordinariate to compete with the dioceses. The restriction is now dropped for those who have not completed the Sacraments of Initiation, so the Ordinariate can more effectively engage in evangelisation.
 
Also any Protestant who wishes to become Catholic may do so by becoming Catholic through the Ordinariate rather than a local Latin Rite Parish. The Ordinariate is evangelizing those outside of the Church, as the Holy Father would like all Catholics to do.

The liturgy is another “Use” under the Latin Rite and is not a separate rite.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
Bonnie said:
If the Church is worried about a stampede to the Anglican-style liturgy, perhaps they should take a good, hard look at why.
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Oh, there is no stampede. Any Catholic is free to* attend* the Anglican Use liturgy and fulfill his Sunday obligation there. It’s *membership *in the ordinariate that’s goverened by law. But majority of Catholics are satisfied with what they’re getting at their regular parishes (just sayin’).

However, that said, after St. John the Evangelist became Catholic, their Sunday attendance has almost doubled.
 
porthos11 said:
There is no barrier for anyone returning to the Catholic Church, but there is a barrier for people coming into the Catholic church through the Anglican Ordinariates. As originally legislated, only former Anglicans and their families can become formal members of the Ordinariates. Everyone else entered through the diocese of the place where they live. Pope Francis expanded Ordinariate membership a bit to those who have not completed their Confirmation and First Communion.
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What exactly does it mean when only former Anglicans can join the Ordinariate?

Surely, as a regular Catholic, I can attend their masses and thus fulfil my Sunday obligation? Or is that a misunderstanding?

What about families who are in the Ordinariate. Can they have newborn children baptized in the Ordinariate? Such children can hardly be considered former Anglicans. But it would also be odd to tell such families no, you have to go and seek out a different Chatholic Church where you don’t know the priest or anybody else and have your child baptised there.
 
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