Pope Francis is Amazing

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concretecamper said:
I can absolutely say that my wife has been more instrumental in my faith and my 5 children’s faith than any priest or bishop. Pope Francis is highlighting the GREAT dignity of women…a great thing.
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Big :amen: on this brother!!!
 
concretecamper said:
I can absolutely say that my wife has been more instrumental in my faith and my 5 children’s faith than any priest or bishop. Pope Francis is highlighting the GREAT dignity of women…a great thing.
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Alizarin, I think that this poster provides the answer you are looking for. Recall that Jesus’ message of “power” was and is never what the world’s is. I think that Pope Francis is referring to that essential and important power (of women, within women). Importantly, however (and I think many modern Catholic women have failed to grasp this yet), all true power (the kind Jesus refers to in the Gospels) is God-given and God-sourced. That requires women, just like men, to be faithful to prayer and reliance on God to empower them in the way God designed the complementarity of the sexes to bear spiritual, not just physical, fruit.

I prefer to think of the sexes as equally important (halves of a whole), versus women as “more” important than men. I do not regard women as more important than men, regardless of HH’s remarks. They are different from men, with importantly different gifts and different but equally essential roles.
 
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The media for many years attacked whoever was the current pope by comparing him to a falsified view of Pope John XXIII. They ignored 90% of what the real John XXIII taught on contraception, sexual matters, sin, the liturgy, and many other topics. The real John XXIII (like the real Pope Francis) believed a different religion from the Washington Post.

The article in the Washington Post is not really trying to affirm Pope Francis, it’s designed to attack traditional Catholic teaching and the Magisterium; the same Magisterium affirmed by John XXIII and Pope Francis.
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I agree with this. The article isn’t meant to say that P. Francis is good, but rather to say that he is taking a step in the right direction. It is bashing traditional Christianity more than it is affirming the good that P. Francis has done.
 
Alizarin said:
Like when he says this:
"The madonna, Maria, was more important than the apostles, bishops, deacons, and priests.* Women are more important than bishops and priests***." forums.catholic-questions.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=11059491

The first sentence makes sense, but that second one?
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I think maybe he was saying that without "the Madonna, we wouldn’t have Jesus Christ, and without women, we wouldn’t have Priests, Bishops or even a Pope. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
I think maybe he was saying that without "the Madonna, we wouldn’t have Jesus Christ, and without women, we wouldn’t have Priests, Bishops or even a Pope. God Bless, Memaw
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Yeah, I understand the part about Mary. That makes sense. It was the sentence after that about women in general that didn’t make much sense, since in the RCC women can’t consecrate the gifts. And the Holy Eucharist is the heart of the Church, right? So said Mother Angelica once.
 
Alizarin said:
Yeah, I understand the part about Mary. That makes sense. It was the sentence after that about women in general that didn’t make much sense, since in the RCC women can’t consecrate the gifts. And the Holy Eucharist is the heart of the Church, right? So said Mother Angelica once.
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you are stuck in human reasoning. Please do not judge importance or dignity based on what you can do and others can do that you cannot.
 
concretecamper said:
you are stuck in human reasoning.
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No, I’m adhering to orthodox Catholic reasoning. The Catholic priesthood is specifically for men. Priests are the only people who can say Mass. Therefore women cannot be more important than men. Equal and complementary, of course. But not more important.

Now my guess is Francis just misspoke, as happens at a press conference sometimes. But as Pope, he has to be a lot more careful or he’s going to accidentily cause a truckload of confusion.
 
Alizarin said:
Yeah, I understand the part about Mary. That makes sense. It was the sentence after that about women in general that didn’t make much sense, since in the RCC women can’t consecrate the gifts. And the Holy Eucharist is the heart of the Church, right? So said Mother Angelica once.
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But the Priest wouldn’t be able to do it for us if it wasn’t for his Mother! I taught CCD for 20 years, and I will be anxious to see when I get to Heaven, how many lives God graced me to touch. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
But the Priest wouldn’t be able to do it for us if it wasn’t for his Mother! I taught CCD for 20 years, and I will be anxious to see when I get to Heaven, how many lives God graced me to touch. God Bless, Memaw
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And if it wasn’t for the priest, his mom could never receive the Eucharist. 🙂

Equal? Sure. Complementary? Absolutely. More important than - ? No…
 
Alizarin said:
And if it wasn’t for the priest, his mom could never receive the Eucharist. 🙂

Equal? Sure. Complementary? Absolutely. More important than - ? No…
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I call that splitting hairs. Women were created long before Christ gave us the Eucharist.
 
Memaw said:
I call that splitting hairs. Women were created long before Christ gave us the Eucharist.
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But it’s the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, right? And before creation, there was the Word… before Eve, there was the Word…
 
I think people are commenting on or jumping to conclusions about Francis based on brief statements, taken out of a much larger context. I suggest logging in to “Whispers in the Loggia” or a similar site that tells what he spoke IN HIS OWN WORDS. What he said in one minute should be considered in the totality of that hour long talk, and in context of what he said the week before.

His style of communication (not his theology) is very different from our Pope Emeritus. Both are “amazing”, in my opinion.
 
Alizarin said:
But it’s the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, right? And before creation, there was the Word… before Eve, there was the Word…
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I think your blowing this way out of proportion. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
I think your blowing this way out of proportion. God Bless, Memaw
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I’m just stating the facts:

At the heart of the Catholic Church is the Eucharist, the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, which comes by way of the Mass, which only a priest can officiate, priests can only be men, and it’s bishops who give the church priests.

Therefore women cannot be more important than priests and bishops.

So either the Pope simply misspoke at a press event, there was a bad translation of it, or he’s gone off the reservation theologically. I believe it’s either option 1 or option 2, because I have faith that he knows the Catholic faith better than the rest of us.

Every religious leader today, regardless of their denomination, has got to realize we live in a world of internet and cable TV soundbites now, and good communication skills within that framework are going to have to be pursued with a vengeance.
 
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