Pope Francis leading us away from Jesus and the teachings of The Apostles

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Honestly, I think there is in US a lot of hysteria about Pope Francis. As this article is discussing, probably a lot of opposition to Pope Francis has also something to do with politics and with a more general opposition to Vatican II.

www.americamagazine.org

Why do some Catholics oppose Pope Francis?

Pope Francis does not aspire to fulfill his role as a theologian but as a pastor.
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Apollina said:
I seek traditional Catholicism and to follow the Holy Catholic Church.
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Well, then, you have to acknowledge Pope Francis as pope. He was validly elected and installed, and is the legitimate vicar of Christ.
 
He has not changed any essential dogma of the Church. He can’t do so. Stick to the basics, and pray for him.
 
redbetta said:
OP, just take comfort in the fact that we have survived popes that were much, much worse.
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Yeah, I started this thread here to remind people of that.
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If you think the Church is teetering on the brink today, read this Casual Discussion
…and be glad you don’t live in the 800s, 900s, etc. It’s pretty clear that God protects his church. If it were a man-made creation, this succession of Popes would have wrecked it long ago.
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I guarantee that compared to the Popes in the posted article, Pope Francis is a cuddly teddy bear saint.
We’ve had lots of other awful Popes too that aren’t mentioned in the article, who did everything from get caught in bed with some other man’s wife, to banishing the Jewish people out of Rome.
The Church survived them all.

I recommend you Pray for the Pope and for the Church, and then Hope and Don’t Worry.
 
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There are quite a few old, unreliable and anti-semitic stories about Jewish people killing young children. I simply dismiss that stuff as being in the same category as certain Protestants in USA who used to claim the Pope/ Catholic priests sacrificed young children.

The reality is that throughout history, there were perverts and psychopaths lurking around who occasionally murdered a young child, and then it got blamed on whoever was the unpopular group in the area at the time.
 
The Pope is leading Americans away from social and political conservatives who believe that it is acceptable to do wrong in order to do right, i.e. to preserve political and economic power.

He is an existential threat to contemporary conservative politicians.
 
My only comment on this is that I think Pope Francis is a tad too liberal. He’s still the Pope, and like our President, merits our respect.
 
Excuse my language but thats nonsense. I believe you got that mixed up.
 
Say what now? That’s an awful lot of mudslinging there. First, the Pope is not ‘leading Americans away from social and political conservatives’ any more than he is leading them "toward’ social and political liberals.
Second, where is your proof that there such conservatives who believe it is acceptable to do wrong in order to do right, and what example would you give? And how has Pope Francis ‘led people’ away from that?
Third, and this is by no means meant to convey disrespect to Pope Francis, may God grant him long life and health as our Pope, but if there is a worldview and a history of a certain Catholic order which historically has teetered and often fallen into the camp of ‘accepting wrong in order to do right’, that order would be the Jesuits, and if there are Catholic ‘pushes’ in the last few years in which certain groups of Catholics have done such things as allow those divorced and remarried without a decree of nullity to receive communion after personal ‘discernment’ or have expressed the opinion that the death penalty is and has always been wrong, well, those pushes and ‘this practice is acceptable’ or ‘what I mean’ have NOT come from the social and politically conservative crowd, now have they?
 
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Apollina said:
I am afraid Pope Francis is an anti Pope.
What are your thoughts?
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My thoughts?

There are no traditional Catholics, modern Catholics, cradle Catholics or Catholic converts.

There are only Catholics.

And, Catholics, although they may from time-to-time disagree with the Holy Father, not one Catholic would dare allege that Pope Francis is an anti-Pope.
 
on_the_hill said:
I am astonished that people are allowed to come to CAF and bash the Pope and the Jesuits.
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Funny. I’ve never seen that. Care to link some examples? Now what I have seen is plenty of people, including a good many of good priests, bishops and cardinals who are genuinely concerned about the confusion being sewn by the Vatican. But that is a far cry from bashing the Pope and Jesuits! And I believe that it’s only right and just for people here at CAF to voice their own concerns.
 
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I am astonished that people are allowed to come to CAF and bash the Pope and the Jesuits.

Especially people who have hidden profiles.
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People are allowed to disagree with positions taken by the Pope and the Jesuits.
I generally like the Jesuits and I don’t think Pope Francis is a bad guy, although I do think he sometimes expresses himself poorly, impulsively, imprudently and also he’s a bit of a hippie which can get on my nerves.
However, I am not in love with everything the Jesuits, or particular Jesuits including our Pope, do, not by a long shot. Even some of the Jesuits I admire have occasionally done things that left me shaking my head.

If someone is truly “bashing” the order or the Pope, rather than politely expressing concerns or disagreement, then the post violates the forum rule about not inciting animosity towards the clergy, and it should be flagged, and such posts are often removed.

Having a hidden profile on here is irrelevant. Most people have hidden profiles because they wish to escape certain forms of harassment. This isn’t a forum where we have to give our true names in order to post, and in fact the forum discourages us revealing our real names or other personal info. I am mostly concerned with what a person on here is saying and not whether he or she chooses to identify himself as John Jones, a married cradle Catholic from Gary, Indiana, or as johndoecatholic123 with no other info. The only time I concern myself with identity is when an account appears to be a duplicate or multiple account, which is forbidden by the rules.
 
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Apollina said:
I am afraid Pope Francis is an anti Pope.
What are your thoughts?
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Pope Francis is certainly no anti-Pope… Severely misguided at times, sure, but not an anti-Pope. Popes in the past have said and done far worse things.
Apollina said:
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Then you are on the right path sister. Do not let the Pope be a stumblingblock in your faith… There are many mistakes Pope Francis has made in his pursuit of winning over secularists. Pray for him.
 
Where the hell have you seen people on here supporting the confederacy and advocating for violence against homosexuals on here? Are you sure those weren’t trolls, because these things sound like a caricature of conservative/Christians would say?
 
I’m pretty sure there are rules against posting stuff like that.
 
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