Pope Francis liked even more after U.S. visit

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After his tour of the Northeast Pope Francis I is even more popular among the American public

Pope Francis began his U.S. trip as a very popular Pontiff. He left the country more of a Papal rock star. In the latest Economist/YouGov Poll, positive American opinion of the Pope jumped 11 points – although nearly one in five remain unfavorable towards him. Not only did the proportion of the public liking the Pope rise, but Americans are more likely now than before to desire his involvement in world affairs – and many even support his becoming involved in U.S. domestic affairs.

As before, more Republicans (27%) than Democrats (10%), and more conservatives (30%) than liberals (9%) think unfavorably of Francis, but majorities of both Republicans and conservatives now are favorable. Two weeks ago, before the Pope’s visit, less than half in both groups expressed favorable opinions towards the Pope.

By more than two to one, Americans now find a papal role in world affairs appropriate. Two weeks ago, the margin of support for this was much smaller.

This week, majorities of Republicans and conservatives also agree. Before the Pope’s visit, those two groups were divided on the appropriateness of the Pope attempting to influence world affairs.

There is even support now for the Pope’s involvement in U.S. domestic affairs, though the margin of support is much smaller than it is for his involvement in global matters. 49% overall, and 63% of Catholics, think it is appropriate for the Pope to try and influence U.S. domestic affairs. On this matter, Republicans and conservatives are nearly evenly divided.

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The Holy Father has no business is U.S. Domestic Affairs. He’s not even an American.
 
Has anyone really wondered why the leader of the catholic church seems to be soooo popular among non-religious crowds in the US…I cant believe more dont see this…its because the Pope did not say anything they or even anti-catholics disagree with.

Yet when it seemed the Pope was supporting Kim Davis, everyone suddenly became disappointed with him, of course, when the vatican backpedaled on this, they all became happy again.

Gee, I think I see a trend…The Pope is GREAT, as long as he doesnt bring up ‘old fashioned’ topics.
 
One of the most unpopular Popes of all time was Pius IX, and yet he was one of the greatest.
 
mikekle said:
Has anyone really wondered why the leader of the catholic church seems to be soooo popular among non-religious crowds in the US…I cant believe more dont see this…its because the Pope did not say anything they or even anti-catholics disagree with.

Yet when it seemed the Pope was supporting Kim Davis, everyone suddenly became disappointed with him, of course, when the vatican backpedaled on this, they all became happy again.

Gee, I think I see a trend…The Pope is GREAT, as long as he doesnt bring up ‘old fashioned’ topics.
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Actually, he said quiet a bit, a lot of people who didn’t want to hear it mostly just ignored it. Spoke about the family and marriage, religious freedom, conscientious objection from duties, even government officials, etc.

The Kim Davis meeting thing is a bit odd, though here the “back-pedaling” was “[The Pope’s] meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.”

Which is a fairly big statement along the lines that he doesn’t want to be involved in the specifics of that (or pretty much any, for that matter) particular situation here in the States, and not repudiation of his statements aboard the plane back here : washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/28/pope-francis-conscientious-objection-is-a-human-right-even-for-government-workers/. (I normally avoid news stories that don’t link to the full text of the interview on these sorts of matters, because the news tends to get a lot wrong on religion, but couldn’t find the full text quickly.)

All together, the actions seem to suggest that he wants to give guiding principles, but not enter into particular national politics much further than that. Which seems pretty standard.
 
I think Pope Francis’ great weapon is his presence. Cardinal Pell related that you felt you were in the presence of holiness when you meet him in person. He must have one of those charisms like Mother Teresa and St Faustina that exude the love of Christ from their presence and touch.
 
mikekle said:
Has anyone really wondered why the leader of the catholic church seems to be soooo popular among non-religious crowds in the US…I cant believe more dont see this…its because the Pope did not say anything they or even anti-catholics disagree with.

Yet when it seemed the Pope was supporting Kim Davis, everyone suddenly became disappointed with him, of course, when the vatican backpedaled on this, they all became happy again.

Gee, I think I see a trend…The Pope is GREAT, as long as he doesnt bring up ‘old fashioned’ topics.
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John Paul II was popular among Protestants largely because he was an anti-communist.
 
How Francis is seen by some on CAF.

“A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family.”
 
Iron_Donkey said:
Actually, he said quiet a bit, a lot of people who didn’t want to hear it mostly just ignored it. Spoke about the family and marriage, religious freedom, conscientious objection from duties, even government officials, etc.

The Kim Davis meeting thing is a bit odd, though here the “back-pedaling” was “[The Pope’s] meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.”

Which is a fairly big statement along the lines that he doesn’t want to be involved in the specifics of that (or pretty much any, for that matter) particular situation here in the States, and not repudiation of his statements aboard the plane back here : washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/28/pope-francis-conscientious-objection-is-a-human-right-even-for-government-workers/. (I normally avoid news stories that don’t link to the full text of the interview on these sorts of matters, because the news tends to get a lot wrong on religion, but couldn’t find the full text quickly.)

All together, the actions seem to suggest that he wants to give guiding principles, but not enter into particular national politics much further than that. Which seems pretty standard.
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He was not direct in his comments, thats why the pro-SSM crowd, the media, are loving this Pope so much, loved him even more when the vatican backpedaled on the Davis issue…I realize the Pope did ‘allude’ to the topic, but its important to note that the pro-SSM crowd DID NOT get this, they are under the impression the CC is softening up to the idea. I have a feeling this is going to come back to haunt the Vatican/ Pope later on.

Its very clear there is alot of misinterpretation going on in regards to what the Pope said and didnt say, if its not clearly addressed, its only going to get worse.

It is not political to make it clear what the CC believes when it comes to a particular issue, since it is specifically mentioned in the bible.

What if everyone in the US decided to start worshiping a golden statue, would the Vatican and Pope just allude to this topic, shying away from supporting or not supporting it?
 
I see the pope as a person who is trying to guide Catholics into how to function in a pluralistic society, where people indeed do worship golden calves of all sorts, and do so with impunity.

In a pluralistic society we are simply not in a position to come thundering down the mountainside with the authority of Moses, raging against the people with the expectation that they will even heed what we say.

So what do we do then? Do we recede back into our caves and hidden places or worship, and seclude ourselves from the values of the larger society, like a medeival Jew? Do we stand on street corners with long beards and signs that the world is about to end? Or do we throw in our lot with the mob and bow down and worship that golden calf, be it same sex marriage, or birth control or one of the thousand and one other points of disagreement between Christ and the society we find ourselves in?

I think that the pope is suggesting that we meet that greater society of, say, men living with other men as man live with women, with charity and grace and unconditional love. We allow people the freedom of their sin, without making our differences the main point of contact between ourselves and them. When people become aggressive with us, and demand that we accept their truths as our truths, we not only have a right to our conscience, but our duty is to our conscience. Other than that, we are in every way a part of the society that we find ourselves in. We work alongside people that we share common goals with regardless of which part of the pluralistic society that they come from, we respect their differences, and even appreciate and learn from the ways that they differ.

We do not define our relationship with them through their golden calf.
Popularity of course cannot be the goal, but it is okay to be liked nevertheless. People enter into personal relationships with people that they like.
 
Latias said:
John Paul II was popular among Protestants largely because he was an anti-communist.
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He was popular with people in general because he had a magnanimous personality comparable to the sun itself. He was one of those rare figures in world history that was larger than life, and much, much larger than any single issue that he represented.
 
Of course he is. His visit was tremendous success. :bounce::bounce:
 
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