Pope Francis names 4 presidents for 2015 synod on family

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Pope Francis names 4 presidents for 2015 synod on family: Cards Vingt-Trois, Tagle, Assis & Napier.

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Cardinal Wilfrid Napier of Durban, South Africa, has been added to the organising committee for next year’s family synod.

The appointment is seen as significant because Cardinal Napier was critical of the mid-term report in last month’s synod and is regarded as an influential voice in favour of tradition.

Otherwise the committee remains the same, including the theologian Archbishop Bruno Forte of Chieti Vasto, who is seen as responsible for the most contentious aspects of the mid-term report.

Other members of the committee are Cardinal Luis Tagle, Cardinal Peter Erdo, Cardinal André Vingt-Trois and Cardinal Damasceno Assis.

catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/11/21/pope-appoints-cardinal-napier-as-synod-organiser/
 
Agreed, the African bishops (special mention to Napier) have been really clear headed and forthright - breath of fresh air coming through.
 
Glad to see some african bishops. They are very devout and I think they’ll be less bombarded with secular pressures from their local medias.
 
I live in Cardinal Napier’s archdiocese and have personally interacted with him. The report from the working group of which he was president gives a good idea of his own mind on the contentious issues raised at the Synod. This for example (emphases are mine):

The Church must teach with clarity, but must also, as one member of the group stressed, “have the courage to knock on forbidden doors”. Very often when we find the courage to knock on forbidden doors what we discover surprises us: what we encounter inside is the loving presence of God which helps us to address the challenges of today, no longer on our terms, but in new ways which might otherwise have been unimaginable.

And this:

It recommended the examination of possible paths of repentance and discernment by which, in particular circumstances, a divorced and remarried person might participate in the sacraments

And this:

The group expressed concern about an over emphasis on the term “positive elements” when speaking of civil marriage and cohabitation. It preferred language which would address the law of gradualness as a way to enter into a pastoral dialogue with such people and seek to identify elements of their life which might lead them towards a greater openness to the Gospel of Marriage in its fullness. We must identify elements which could become bridges in our efforts of evangelization of the many who do not yet or no longer correspond to the ideal. It was stressed that the law of gradualness always involves a progression and a conversion towards the full ideal.

To think that Napier is conservative is to make a big mistake. His group - more than any other - espoused the problematic points of the mid-term relatio.
 
I live in Cardinal Napier’s archdiocese and have personally interacted with him. The report from the working group of which he was president gives a good idea of his own mind on the contentious issues raised at the Synod. This for example (emphases are mine):

The Church must teach with clarity, but must also, as one member of the group stressed, “have the courage to knock on forbidden doors”. Very often when we find the courage to knock on forbidden doors what we discover surprises us: what we encounter inside is the loving presence of God which helps us to address the challenges of today, no longer on our terms, but in new ways which might otherwise have been unimaginable.

And this:

It recommended the examination of possible paths of repentance and discernment by which, in particular circumstances, a divorced and remarried person might participate in the sacraments

And this:

The group expressed concern about an over emphasis on the term “positive elements” when speaking of civil marriage and cohabitation. It preferred language which would address the law of gradualness as a way to enter into a pastoral dialogue with such people and seek to identify elements of their life which might lead them towards a greater openness to the Gospel of Marriage in its fullness. We must identify elements which could become bridges in our efforts of evangelization of the many who do not yet or no longer correspond to the ideal. It was stressed that the law of gradualness always involves a progression and a conversion towards the full ideal.

To think that Napier is conservative is to make a big mistake. His group - more than any other - espoused the problematic points of the mid-term relatio.
Should have done my research before posting…
 
I live in Cardinal Napier’s archdiocese and have personally interacted with him. The report from the working group of which he was president gives a good idea of his own mind on the contentious issues raised at the Synod. This for example (emphases are mine):

The Church must teach with clarity, but must also, as one member of the group stressed, “have the courage to knock on forbidden doors”. Very often when we find the courage to knock on forbidden doors what we discover surprises us: what we encounter inside is the loving presence of God which helps us to address the challenges of today, no longer on our terms, but in new ways which might otherwise have been unimaginable.

And this:

It recommended the examination of possible paths of repentance and discernment by which, in particular circumstances, a divorced and remarried person might participate in the sacraments

And this:

The group expressed concern about an over emphasis on the term “positive elements” when speaking of civil marriage and cohabitation. It preferred language which would address the law of gradualness as a way to enter into a pastoral dialogue with such people and seek to identify elements of their life which might lead them towards a greater openness to the Gospel of Marriage in its fullness. We must identify elements which could become bridges in our efforts of evangelization of the many who do not yet or no longer correspond to the ideal. It was stressed that the law of gradualness always involves a progression and a conversion towards the full ideal.

To think that Napier is conservative is to make a big mistake. His group - more than any other - espoused the problematic points of the mid-term relatio.
Are you under the impression that he wrote this document and is responsible for everything it says? His role was to lead the discussion of his group, and the document represents what was discussed, he can’t magically silence those who disagree with him, or just make it say whatever he wants.

At the Synod, Card Napier along with Pell and Burke were the most outspoken leaders of the traditional side. No one disputes that. He plainly spoke out on the controversial issues. No one disputes that either.

If you can watch the interview below and come away thinking he’s not clearly on the conservative side here, I just don’t know what to say. There are some reasons to be pessimistic about things, but Card Napier is simply not one of them.

lifesitenews.com/news/why-not-communion-for-polygamists-if-we-give-it-to-divorced-and-remarried-s

Why not Communion for polygamists if we give it to divorced and remarried?: South African Cardinal

If someone in Germany who is divorced and civilly remarried can receive Communion without being expected to change his lifestyle, why can’t someone in Africa who is “married” to two women do so as well?

That’s the question that Cardinal Wilfrid Napier, the archbishop of Durban, South Africa, asked in a recent interview with Catholic News Service. Napier added that a better way forward for the Church than the recommendation made by the German Cardinal Walter Kasper is to recommend the traditional Christian practice of fortitude in the face of suffering; the carrying of the cross.

“Jesus didn’t say ‘I want the easiest cross to carry.’ He took what was coming. And I think that in many instances married people who find themselves in impossible situations – second-married people – are maybe just called to do that, to carry the cross with Christ.”

Cardinal Napier, who earlier joined those bishops denying any possibility of a change in Catholic teaching, said the logic should be applied to the question of polygamy, a practice that is common throughout Africa.

Speaking to an interviewer with the US bishops’ Catholic News Service, Cardinal Napier said, “What happens to a man who not a Catholic, but is married to a Catholic and then he takes another wife in a polygamous type of set-up, and he wants to, on occasion come and receive Communion?”

If Communion is to be offered to those who are divorced and civilly remarried, “on what basis are you going to refuse him?”

The cardinal described those who have remarried outside the Church as being “engaged in successive polygamy,” and asked if these people can receive Communion without changing their lifestyles, “why can’t a simultaneous polygamist have the same advantages?”

“After all, in his culture, it’s quite acceptable. For him, it’s natural, and the natural law theory [says] that if something is natural, there’s going to be some goodness in it.

“So there’s no conflict of conscience about accepting Christ and living polygamy at the same time. How are we going to deal with those? I think that’s what I meant by [saying] we are going to have to make some hard choices, I think.”

“Do we say that you don’t have to carry the cross because the world says, ‘No no, the soft option is always the easier one’?” Cardinal Napier said.

“And ultimately, is it the easier one? How do you get your children to marry, then, if you don’t get married … [How do you] get your children to make a life-long commitment if you have failed to do it yourself?”
 
I live in Cardinal Napier’s archdiocese and have personally interacted with him. The report from the working group of which he was president gives a good idea of his own mind on the contentious issues raised at the Synod. This for example (emphases are mine):

The Church must teach with clarity, but must also, as one member of the group stressed, “have the courage to knock on forbidden doors”. Very often when we find the courage to knock on forbidden doors what we discover surprises us: what we encounter inside is the loving presence of God which helps us to address the challenges of today, no longer on our terms, but in new ways which might otherwise have been unimaginable.

And this:

It recommended the examination of possible paths of repentance and discernment by which, in particular circumstances, a divorced and remarried person might participate in the sacraments

And this:

The group expressed concern about an over emphasis on the term “positive elements” when speaking of civil marriage and cohabitation. It preferred language which would address the law of gradualness as a way to enter into a pastoral dialogue with such people and seek to identify elements of their life which might lead them towards a greater openness to the Gospel of Marriage in its fullness. We must identify elements which could become bridges in our efforts of evangelization of the many who do not yet or no longer correspond to the ideal. It was stressed that the law of gradualness always involves a progression and a conversion towards the full ideal.

To think that Napier is conservative is to make a big mistake. His group - more than any other - espoused the problematic points of the mid-term relatio.
Well, he was also publicly critical of the mid-term report, correct?
 
Well, he was also publicly critical of the mid-term report, correct?
Yeah

catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/11/21/pope-appoints-cardinal-napier-as-synod-organiser/

Pope appoints Cardinal Napier as synod organiser

by Mark Greaves posted Friday, 21 Nov 2014

**The cardinal was a leading critic of the mid-term report

Cardinal Wilfrid Napier of Durban, South Africa, has been added to the organising committee for next year’s family synod.

The appointment is seen as significant because Cardinal Napier was critical of the mid-term report in last month’s synod and is regarded as an influential voice in favour of tradition.**
 
Should have done my research before posting…
Nothing really new there. The route of repenting of the adultery (and thus seeking to avoid it) has always been a possibility in the Church.

I agree with +Napier that it is seldom discussed with those in that situation.
 
(Quoting Napier) “After all, in his culture, it’s quite acceptable. For him, it’s natural, and the natural law theory [says] that if something is natural, there’s going to be some goodness in it."
This is terrible philosophy. He would get a C in my ethics class, if he described natural law in such terms.

Just sayin. :o
 
This is terrible philosophy. He would get a C in my ethics class, if he described natural law in such terms.

Just sayin. :o
My reading of it is that he’s basically being facetious here. His point is, if you apply the same logic to polygamy as some people are attempting to apply to divorce/remarriage, you end up with a clearly unacceptable result; thus we can’t use that logic for divorce/remarriage either.
 
Are you under the impression that he wrote this document and is responsible for everything it says? His role was to lead the discussion of his group, and the document represents what was discussed, he can’t magically silence those who disagree with him, or just make it say whatever he wants.
True enough. One can conclude that the Cardinal was landed with the most progressive prelates of the synod (his group came largely from the Third World) and could not influence their conclusions to any significant degree.
At the Synod, Card Napier along with Pell and Burke were the most outspoken leaders of the traditional side. No one disputes that. He plainly spoke out on the controversial issues. No one disputes that either.

If you can watch the interview below and come away thinking he’s not clearly on the conservative side here, I just don’t know what to say. There are some reasons to be pessimistic about things, but Card Napier is simply not one of them.

lifesitenews.com/news/why-not-communion-for-polygamists-if-we-give-it-to-divorced-and-remarried-s
His position and conclusions in the interview (which I had not seen) are excellent.

I notice this interview was given on October 10. Has he reaffirmed what he said here in any subsequent post-synodal interview or declaration of any kind? I would genuinely like to know.
 
My reading of it is that he’s basically being facetious here. His point is, if you apply the same logic to polygamy as some people are attempting to apply to divorce/remarriage, you end up with a clearly unacceptable result; thus we can’t use that logic for divorce/remarriage either.
I thought about that too, but no one I know of has said that remarriage has “some good in it” because it’s “natural”, when they took “natural” to merely mean occurring in a culture. They’ve said it has some good in it for other reasons.

The allegation that anyone thinks “natural” means “accepted by a culture” is a pure straw man, if your interpretation is correct.
 
I …And this:

The group expressed concern about an over emphasis on the term “positive elements” when speaking of civil marriage and cohabitation. It preferred language which would address the law of gradualness as a way to enter into a pastoral dialogue with such people and seek to identify elements of their life which might lead them towards a greater openness to the Gospel of Marriage in its fullness. We must identify elements which could become bridges in our efforts of evangelization of the many who do not yet or no longer correspond to the ideal. It was stressed that the law of gradualness always involves a progression and a conversion towards the full ideal.

To think that Napier is conservative is to make a big mistake. His group - more than any other - espoused the problematic points of the mid-term relatio.
The term “law of gradualness” is found in a Church document by Saint Pope John Paul II called “The Vatemeccum for Confessors Concerning Some Aspects of the Morality of Conjugal Life”.
  1. The pastoral “law of gradualness”, not to be confused with the “gradualness of the law” which would tend to diminish the demands it places on us, consists of requiring a decisive break with sin together with a progressive path towards total union with the will of God and with his loving demands.
Pope John Paul II reminds us not to confuse the “law of gradualness” with “gradualness of the law.” I know very little about these recently names appointments, but the term used here by one of them-- “law of gradualness”–is a term that is in keeping with Catholic doctrine. The term “law of gradualness” applies when someone has made “a decisive break with sin” and is making progress “on a path towards total union with the will of God and His loving demands”. Even if they haven’t yet fully achieved what the Church teaches, they have made a break with sin and are attempting to do God’s will.
 
True enough. One can conclude that the Cardinal was landed with the most progressive prelates of the synod (his group came largely from the Third World) and could not influence their conclusions to any significant degree.

His position and conclusions in the interview (which I had not seen) are excellent.

I notice this interview was given on October 10. Has he reaffirmed what he said here in any subsequent post-synodal interview or declaration of any kind? I would genuinely like to know.
Yeah, I’ve never seen a breakdown of who was in which group other than the leaders, so I’m thinking his group happened to have a lot of progressives, but I don’t know that for sure.

As for the interview, my apologies for jumping all over you, I shouldn’t have assumed you’d seen this interview, I’m sorry about that :o:o:o

After these comments, he made a number of general comments that indicate a conservative stance, but as far as I know he didn’t specifically address the communion issue. This is as close as I’ve found to anything specific:

"The cardinal (Marx) also reaffirmed that a majority of German bishops backed fellow German Cardinal Walter Kasper’s proposal to seek ways to allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Holy Communion.

“What will be the final word? I cannot predict that,” Marx said. “But I can tell you we German bishops are isolated on this position.”

South African Cardinal Wilfrid Napier, who is a member of the committee writing the synod’s final report, told Vatican Radio there were two issues that had got people “hot around the collar.”

“One was presenting homosexual unions as if they were a very positive thing,” Napier said. The other was related to broken marriages and “access to the sacraments.” But he said there was now a “common vision” about the problems affecting marriage and family life.

“We can’t be distracted by sideshows,” he said."

religionnews.com/2014/10/17/sparring-continues-catholic-bishops-prepare-synods-final-report/

Since the Synod I haven’t seen anything else from him, but I could certainly have missed something.
 
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