Pope Francis recently stated that the damned will not suffer hell fire but will simply be annihiliated

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Did he seriously say that? Can you please cite your source?
 
First off, do you have a link for this statement? And second, the Pope making a statement doesn’t make that statement dogma.
 
I very much doubt this. That would be a serious reversal of Roman Catholic teaching no one could possibly paper-over with a “hermeneutic of continuity.” While preferable to torment-filled fiery hell, annihilation is still a fearsome and horrible consequence for unrepentant sinners! Indeed, it is an everlasting punishment and terrible in its finality and severity. Whether torture or obliteration awaits us on the other side of death, they’re both awful!
 
lifesitenews.com/blogs/about-that-pope-francis-interview-where-he-denied-the-existence-of-hell

It’s very unlikely that Pope Francis actually said those things. The interviewer is an infamous anti-Catholic atheist who reconstructed the interview from memory. Keep in mind, that even if the Pope did say those things, they would not have been said ex cathedra, thus they would not be dogmatic statements.

I think that it’s interesting that for Buddhists, annihilation is what they are aiming for, yet most Christians would consider that hell. 🤷
 
I just took one look at the title, and called Bunkum.

(Not on the poster, btw, but on whatever story is behind this)
 
Edmundus1581 said:
I just took one look at the title, and called Bunkum.

(Not on the poster, btw, but on whatever story is behind this)
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Agreed.

It’s not Catholic teaching, it’s not a truth, and I believe it’s mistranslated and misinterpreted. I doubt His Holiness believes in the annihilation of souls.
 
Let us simply say: Pope Francis has pointed people to the Catechism saying he is a faithful son of the Church.

Yes he believes in hell.

To those in the Mafia he said:

“Convert, I ask it on my knees; it is for your own good. This life you are living now, it won’t bring you pleasure, it won’t give you joy, it won’t bring you happiness. The power, the money, that you possess now from so many dirty transactions, from so many mafia crimes, is blood-stained money, it is power soaked in blood, and you cannot take it with you to the next life. Convert, there is still time, so that you don’t end up in hell. That is what awaits you if you continue on this path. You had a father and a mother: think of them. Cry a little and convert.”

~ Pope Francis

m.vatican.va/content/francescomobile/en/speeches/2014/march/documents/papa-francesco_20140321_fondazione-libera.html
 
Let us simply say: Pope Francis has pointed people to the Catechism saying he is a faithful son of the Church.

Yes he believes in hell.

To those in the Mafia he said:

“Convert, I ask it on my knees; it is for your own good. This life you are living now, it won’t bring you pleasure, it won’t give you joy, it won’t bring you happiness. The power, the money, that you possess now from so many dirty transactions, from so many mafia crimes, is blood-stained money, it is power soaked in blood, and you cannot take it with you to the next life. Convert, there is still time, so that you don’t end up in hell. That is what awaits you if you continue on this path. You had a father and a mother: think of them. Cry a little and convert.”

~ Pope Francis

m.vatican.va/content/francescomobile/en/speeches/2014/march/documents/papa-francesco_20140321_fondazione-libera.html
 
namax91 said:
lifesitenews.com/blogs/about-that-pope-francis-interview-where-he-denied-the-existence-of-hell

It’s very unlikely that Pope Francis actually said those things. The interviewer is an infamous anti-Catholic atheist who reconstructed the interview from memory. Keep in mind, that even if the Pope did say those things, they would not have been said ex cathedra, thus they would not be dogmatic statements.

I think that it’s interesting that for Buddhists, annihilation is what they are aiming for, yet most Christians would consider that hell. 🤷
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I find it so infuriating that a professional journalist would do this multiple times. It’s just incredibly sloppy. For crying out loud, it’s not that difficult to bring a recorder to an interview.

Who does stuff like that? Most people would get fired for reconstructing an interview from memory and trying to pass it off as what someone actually said.
 
ChibiViolet said:
Did he seriously say that? Can you please cite your source?
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the-american-catholic.com/2015/03/23/popewatch-hell-damnation-and-pope-francis/

It might be an out of context reference from this link ^

An Italian columnist called Scalfari wrote an OPINION piece (The ***American Catholic ***opines) " … on what the journalist wants to see happen in the Church, so it’s not a new interview, per se. But he includes a part where he describes the Pope’s thoughts on the issue."
(Q): What happens to these extinct souls? Will they be punished? And how?
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(Scalfari continues) > Francis’ answer is unambiguous and clear: There is no penalty but the annihilation of that soul. All others live on to share the the happiness in the presence of the Father. The extinguished souls have no part in this feast, with the death of the body is its end and this is the motivation of the missionary Church: to save the lost. This is also the reason why Francis is through and through, a Jesuit. …]
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(American Catholic) >This theological view is called Annihilationism, by the way, and it is the view of some sincere Protestant Christians. In fairness, it has some Biblical support (though I think the weight of Biblical evidence is strongly against it.) ***But it has never been a teaching of the Catholic Church. Indeed, it is a clear heresy. ***
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The current Catechism of the Church states:
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quote The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” (Matthew 25:41) The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
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The Scalfari editorial came out a few days ago, in Italian of course. And as far as I can tell, it hasn’t been picked up by many of the Traditionalist blogs, let alone any mainstream sources. We picked it up from The Eponymous Flower through Pew Sitter.

Once again, it is vulnerable to the criticism that there’s no proof Pope Francis actually said it.
 
where are the monitors on this site…is this not considered unloving …I’ve brought up similar situations…perhaps worded differently, but always preceeded by my well intentions and genuine respect and obedience to the magisterium…but I get suspended…I read the same comment on Catholic News…Ofcourse everything uttered by the Holy Father is Dogmatic …but nevertheless makes the news…
 
Robyn_p said:
I find it so infuriating that a professional journalist would do this multiple times. It’s just incredibly sloppy. For crying out loud, it’s not that difficult to bring a recorder to an interview.

Who does stuff like that? Most people would get fired for reconstructing an interview from memory and trying to pass it off as what someone actually said.
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THIS. As a sometime journalist, I would NEVER have gone to an interview without a digital recorder. My handwriting is abysmal and my physical note-taking skills are also fairly crummy, so I always want to have a digital recording to fall back on so there is no dispute as to what the interviewee said. Anyone who doesn’t even take notes is an idiot, as they are opening themselves up to all sorts of libel charges (maybe the law works different in Italy, I don’t know) if they misremember or worse.

Although in fairness, and as much as I love Pope Francis, if Scalfari pulled this nonsense once and Francis still granted him subsequent interviews under the same conditions (no notes or recordings by Scalfari, with Scalfari trusting to his memory for notes), where does that leave Francis’ judgment skills?
 
Yes! I have believed this my whole life. If this is truevthen I can finally accept the Catholic faith entirely. Up until now I couldnt because my sense of nobility simply prevented me from assenting to certain dogmas. Honestly what kind of a loving God would say :" do what I say or ill hurt you". Thats more like a seven year old child throwing a tantrum rather than a loving benevolent God.
I think that either
  1. people who go to hell will be annhilated OR
  2. if hell is a sort of existence then the people who go there will always have an option to repent. Because I cant imagine a supposedly all merciful God who forgives you today but doesnt forgive you tomorrow.
    And lol you gotta love the Catholics on here who are oh so outraged at this papal clarification on church dogma. You know, every time I debate an issue like contraception or gay marriage these Catholic always tell me to listen to " holy mother church". Well it is THEY who should listen to holy mother church! The church is beginning to clarify and hopefully even change some of its teachings like on divorce. And you traditionalist Catholics must obey. I think these Catholics who hate Vatican 2 and think that the recent popes are anti popes are just grossly self righteous. They have this skewed view of morality where they think " the stricter the holier". But this is not true. To all these traditionalist types I say dont be heretics!
 
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