Pope Francis to wash feet of prisoners in pre-Easter Mass

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mgsk said:
Yes. By calling them to conversion. Not by including them in liturgical practices which, by their nature, ought to be reserved for Catholics.
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The washing of feet is not taking the Eucharist.
Using your logic, the Church would have died off long ago.
 
mgsk said:
This is a rather weak analogy. The Church has never sought out non-Catholics or members of other false sects for inclusion in her liturgies.
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Oh I see…so you stop them at the Church door until they can prove they’re Catholic?
They can’t take part in the Liturgy of the Mass, up to and including the Eucharist?
 
mgsk said:
Straw man, I never said it was. They can attend - this signifies much more than attendance.
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So…the washing of feet is on par with the Eucharist?
Is that what you’re saying?
 
Forgive me if this has already been posted. Here is todays Gospel for the Mass of the Lord’s Supper:
Jn 13:1-15
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Before the feast of Passover, Jesus knew that his hour had come
to pass from this world to the Father.
He loved his own in the world and he loved them to the end.
The devil had already induced Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot, to hand him over.
So, during supper,
fully aware that the Father had put everything into his power
and that he had come from God and was returning to God,
he rose from supper and took off his outer garments.
He took a towel and tied it around his waist.
Then he poured water into a basin
and began to wash the disciples’ feet
and dry them with the towel around his waist.
He came to Simon Peter, who said to him,
“Master, are you going to wash my feet?”
Jesus answered and said to him,
“What I am doing, you do not understand now,
but you will understand later.”
Peter said to him, “You will never wash my feet.”
Jesus answered him,
“Unless I wash you, you will have no inheritance with me.”
Simon Peter said to him,
“Master, then not only my feet, but my hands and head as well.”
Jesus said to him,
“Whoever has bathed has no need except to have his feet washed,
for he is clean all over;
so you are clean, but not all.”
For he knew who would betray him;
for this reason, he said, “Not all of you are clean.”
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So when he had washed their feet
and put his garments back on and reclined at table again,
he said to them, “Do you realize what I have done for you?
You call me ‘teacher’ and ‘master,’ and rightly so, for indeed I am.
If I, therefore, the master and teacher, have washed your feet,
you ought to wash one another’s feet.
I have given you a model to follow,
so that as I have done for you, you should also do.”
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I’m always struck by the fact that Jesus, who is THE Christ-ian, washes the feet of sinners.
In fact, why did he even “lower himself” to become a human being to begin with? He is God after all. His kingdom will endure forever anyway. Why does he become “in common” with every human being of all time?
And why would he subject himself to disgraceful treatment at the hand of non-believers, while at the same time His kingdom reigns to eternity?
 
JustaServant said:
Oh I see…so you stop them at the Church door until they can prove they’re Catholic?
They can’t take part in the Liturgy of the Mass, up to and including the Eucharist?
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The liturgy wasn’t divided into the Mass of the Catechumens and the Mass of the Faithful just by accident.

Also, your second sentence makes it sound as though you think they should be able to receive Our Lord sacramentally. I assume you didn’t mean that.
 
mgsk said:
He came to call them to the Truth - membership in His Mystical Body, which is the Roman Catholic Church.
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And what better way to call them to the Truth than by opening our arms and welcoming them?

And Christ did actually come to serve ALL mankind.

If there are non-Catholics, and non-Christians amongst those whose feet Pope Francis will be washing, then as far as I’m concerned that increases, rather than decreases, the spiritual significance and meaning of the ritual.

When the priest is blessing the congregation with Holy Water on Palm Sunday and Easter Sunday, should he request that all non-Catholics present please step aside so as not to partake in the ritual?
 
mgsk said:
The liturgy wasn’t divided into the Mass of the Catechumens and the Mass of the Faithful just by accident.

Also, your second sentence makes it sound as though you think they should be able to receive Our Lord sacramentally. I assume you didn’t mean that.
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Obviously correct, non-Catholics cannot partake of the Eucharist.
This is what you said:
Not by including them in **liturgical practices **which, by their nature, ought to be reserved for Catholics.
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Again, are you equating the washing of the feet with the Eucharist?
Because, that’s what it looks like you are saying.
 
Brendan_64 said:
And what better way to call them to the Truth than by opening our arms and welcoming them?

And Christ did actually come to serve ALL mankind.
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Perhaps in some non-traditional terminology, but more appropriately He came to redeem all mankind. But we know that the fruits of this redemption will only be applied to “the many.”
If there are non-Catholics, and non-Christians amongst those whose feet Pope Francis will be washing, then as far as I’m concerned that increases, rather than decreases, the spiritual significance and meaning of the ritual.
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The Vatican press secretary confirmed that there were at least two Muslims among them. Not entirely fitting representatives of the apostles if we’re being honest.
When the priest is blessing the congregation with Holy Water on Palm Sunday and Easter Sunday, should he request that all non-Catholics present please step aside so as not to partake in the ritual?
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No, although I’m not sure how efficacious these blessings are when imposed on those who, at least on an objective level, have not received sanctifying grace. They still make bad representatives of the apostles in the liturgy though.
 
JustaServant said:
Again, are you equating the washing of the feet with the Eucharist?
Because, that’s what it looks like you are saying.
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No, I’m not. But if you think the only thing non-Catholics should be barred from is receiving the Eucharist then I can see how you might interpret it that way. Non-Catholics/Christians should not be allowed to be lectors, altar boys, ushers, acolytes, torch bearers, or any number of liturgical roles either.
 
mgsk said:
No, although I’m not sure how efficacious these blessings are when imposed on those who, at least on an objective level, have not received sanctifying grace. They still make bad representatives of the apostles in the liturgy though.
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So, a priest is a bad representative of the Apostles, when blessing the congreation, if their are non-Catholics present?
 
mgsk said:
No, I’m not. But if you think the only thing non-Catholics should be barred from is receiving the Eucharist then I can see how you might interpret it that way. Non-Catholics/Christians should not be allowed to be lectors, altar boys, ushers, acolytes, torch bearers, or any number of liturgical roles either.
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How is having your feet washed by the Pope equivilant to lectors, altar boys, ushers, acolytes, torch bearers?
 
JustaServant said:
How is having your feet washed by the Pope equivilant to lectors, altar boys, ushers, acolytes, torch bearers?
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How is it not? They’re all non-ordained liturgical roles that for almost all of the Church’s history have been performed by Catholic men.

(Note: I’m not forgetting the minor orders, but these have been suppressed.)
 
mgsk said:
How is it not? They’re all non-ordained liturgical roles that for almost all of the Church’s history have been performed by Catholic men.
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So…only Catholics are allowed to have thier feet washed?
Christ was to only serve His own?
You sound like a Calvinist.
 
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