Pope Francis washes feet

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I read that article earlier and I laughed out loud. I had predicted to my husband that is how the media would interprete our Holy Father’s action. I think that Pope Francis knows exactly what he is doing. He speaks to Christ’s flock with actions. I really don’t think he cares two hoots and a hollar about the stupidity of the mainstream press and their opinons. He stands on Blessed Pope John Paul’s challenge. “Be not afraid”.
 
Pope Francis has devastated my faith this Lent. I came back to the Church under Pope Benedict because I thought things were going in the right direction, I now see I was wrong. I will be gone from these forums for the forseeable future.
 
hudson said:
Pope Francis has devastated my faith this Lent. I came back to the Church under Pope Benedict because I thought things were going in the right direction, I now see I was wrong. I will be gone from these forums for the forseeable future.
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I feel pretty devastated too, I’m trying very hard to love him and stay positive, but so far my faith feels gutted. I haven’t been to mass since he was elected, and its been very difficult even to pray.
 
what has devastated your faith,people? would you share…
Were was it anchored?
Sorry to hear that…
 
Hasire said:
Instead he does.
Haven’t seen him celebrating the Tridentine Rite. He basically prohibited Summorum Pontificum in Buenos Aires. Refused to use Traditional Pontifical garments.
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Inaccurate not to say untrue.
I f you can´t read Spanish,you can always ask somebody for help or use a dictionary if you are so worried. This is Buenos Aires,his picture,the people and he even determined a celebration so that everybody could go cause not every priest knew how to.
So this point is out of the question and not true.
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McCall1981 said:
I feel pretty devastated too, I’m trying very hard to love him and stay positive, but so far my faith feels gutted. I haven’t been to mass since he was elected, and its been very difficult even to pray.
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I have been in a state of shock. The washing of the feet jolted me out of it. I’ve been struggling with this since the smoke cleared. I think Easter will be the last Mass I attend in the Church. I’ve been doing a lot of research on the subject and I believe that my family and I can attend the Pius X Society Mass in good conscience.
 
otjm said:
From a philosophical perspective of law that has been explained as the Mediterranean perspective as opposed to the Germanic perspective.

The Germanic perspective tends towards an absolutist approach - “What is not permitted is not allowed”; and (as you noted) the Mediterranean perspective tends much more towards “what is not prohibited is allowed”.

The United States, in particular, tends twoard the Germanic approach to law. And when they are confronted with a Mediterranean approach, they are very uncomfortable, to put it mildly.

A minor example is the dubium Francis Cardinal George submitted some years ago about the posture required as one returns to one’s bench after receiveing Communion; the GIRM seemed to indicte that one was to remain standing. Cardinal Arinze’s response was much more of a Mediterranean approach, that one could stand, kneel (which had been the accepted posture both after and before the OF ws enacted) or sit. He siad something to the effect that it was not the intent to be that rigorous in the law (here, the GIRM). Note: that is not meant to say Cardinal George was taking such a position; I think he was the person who would submit a dubium because of his position in USCCB or such, and the question was widespread.
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You’re right and I never thought of it from a philosophical perspective. Being a Franciscan, we’re not as big into philosophy. Which is interesting in itself. We have the largest number of doctors in the Church and all of them are doctors in Franciscan theology. They all took from Francis and developed one aspect or another. We know that Francis was very Mediterranean. I guess the Mediterranean people left their influence on Latin America. Let’s not forget that the majority of European descendants in South America are Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and Jewish in that order.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Precisely. We have several different possibilities here:
  1. The washing of feet only represents service.
  2. The washing of feet only represents an historical reality of what Jesus did to His Apostles.
  3. It represents both.
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It’s actually both. But if you’re a Jesuit, you’re going to focus on one or the other. Since we have a pope whose methodology is very Ignatian, we have to learn the Ignatian way of teaching and preaching. However, his charism is very Franciscan. We have to learn to think as Franciscans think. Otherwise, the pope and we are going to be like ships passing in the night. It’s easier for the many to accommodate to the one.
No one thinks the Pope broke any kind of divine law, but this sends very confusing symbols, and that is regrettable.
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I’m not sure who you mean when you say that it sends confusing signals. Who is the recipient of these signals? If you mean clergy and religious, I have to tell you that today life was as usual in that quarter of the Church. Not a single memo, blog, superior, bishop spoke much about it. The understanding by those who are orthodox is that the pope can do whatever he wants to do, because he’s the pope and the rest of us peons have to do the red and say the black. Those who are a law unto themselves did not need to pope to send them any message. It’s extremely important to avoid thinking for priests and religious. Our way of looking at Rome and the pope is very different from your own, probably because our relationship with Rome and the pope is very different from your own.
Nan_S said:
The directive to wash the feet of men, and only men, was found in paragraph 51 of PASCHALIS SOLLEMNITATIS, The Preparation And Celebration Of The Easter Feasts, Given at Rome, at the Offices of the Congregation for Divine Worship, January 16, 1988. The English translation of paragraph 51 reads:
  1. The washing of the feet of chosen men which, according to tradition, is performed on this day, represents the service and charity of Christ, who came "not to be served, but to serve. This tradition should be maintained, and its proper significance explained.
The document was originally circulated in Latin, and the word translated into English as ‘men’ is ‘vir’, literally ‘adult men’. Barely a year ago, an alert CA Forum Member also referenced the Sacramentary which reads:

The men vir] who have been chosen are led by the ministers to chairs prepared in a suitable place. Then the priest (removing his chasuble if necessary) goes to each man. With the help of the ministers, he pours water over each one’s feet and dries them.

Pope Francis had already broken with that instruction in 2005, when he washed the feet of women at Buenos Aires’ Sarda maternity hospital. It’s no surprise that he did it again yesterday.

I just went to the Vatican’s website to search for Paschalis Sollemnitatis. The document appears to have been taken down.

So it appears I must relax my opposition to having my (female) feet washed by the priest, as I did a decade ago when I refused because of Paschalis Sollemnitatis and the Sacramentary. However I still see no instruction from the Vatican which approves of a group-participation foot-bath, so commonly practiced in American parishes.
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It could be down for a number of reasons.
YoungTradCath said:
If there were others present, but the authors only wrote about the Apostles, then doesn’t that mean either the others didn’t have their feet washed, or if they did, the authors didn’t think it was too important? Clearly the authors were trying to communicate something by writing that he washed the Apostles’ feet.

12 is the number of the Apostles. Having women included “among the twelve” at a foot washing ceremony on Holy Thursday is confusing symbolism. It breaks no divine law, but it is confusing symbolism.
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Whom does it confuse?
The Pope can exercise his ministry in any way he wants, as long as he upholds faith and morals. Fine, I accept that. I’m not saying he can’t. I’m just saying that little things add up and have unintended consequences. Already people are hailing this as a sign that “women’s ordination” is coming. That’s impossible, of course, but why give that base ammunition?
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People who are saying this are not very knowledgeable of theology. Those whose feet are washed are not serving as ministers at the altar. Women priests would be ministers. One would have to construct a very long bridge to connect those two ideas.

As to ammunition, you keep forgetting or you don’t want to consider that this pope is a religious, not a secular priest. Religious have always been taught that we ignore what the world thinks, wants or does and we do what we’re told to do. If you’re in charge, you do what is best for the moment in front of you. You don’t think beyond that moment, because it disrupts your interior silence.
YoungTradCath said:
We can sit around all day and discuss the Pope’s intention, which I would not dare to assume was anything but good, but do the secular media care about the Pope’s good intention?
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Does a Jesuit pope care what the secular world thinks? If he did, he would not be a Jesuit. A Jesuit pope approaches the secular world as St. Ignatius would. He discerns the spirits found in the secular world. He follows those that draw him closer to Christ and he ignores those that draw him further from Christ. As the Jesuit grows closer to Christ, so does everyone around him. This is St. Ignatius’ model.
 
Hasire said:
Haven’t seen him celebrating the Tridentine Rite. He basically prohibited Summorum Pontificum in Buenos Aires. Refused to use Traditional Pontifical garments.
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Instead of reading blogs,read the proper newspapers in Buenos Aires .
He fosted Summorum Pontif. 48 hours after the previuos Pope had allowed it,even facilitating a fixed day at a certain place cause not every priest know how to celebrate it.
Please consider going to proper fountains and try to not damage our Pope for nothing…
at least here is one:

wdtprs.com/blog/2013/03/card-bergoglio-in-2007-after-summorum-pontificum/
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graciew said:
what has devastated your faith,people? would you share…
Were was it anchored?
Sorry to hear that…
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For the past few years I’ve really been getting stronger in my faith and feeling like I wanted to devote more of my life to it, like maybe joining a third order or something like that. Since Pope Francis was elected my faith in the Church has become a huge question mark. I feel like I just have to wait and see what will happen.

Going to mass and praying used to be like the oasis of peace in the world for me, but the Popes actions have me very frightened. Now the thought of going to mass is very painful because something I love so much feels endangered.

Ive been researching Pope Francis to try and convince myself that things will be ok, because I really desperately want to trust and love him, but so far all I feel is fear.

I feel hollow and I really dont know what to do.
 
Hasire said:
I just presented facts. If you think those facts are somehow false, prove it.
I have nothing more to say.
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I did present facts,data and pictures .
Yours are not facts but lies and blogs of hearsay.
 
hudson said:
Pope Francis has devastated my faith this Lent. I came back to the Church under Pope Benedict because I thought things were going in the right direction, I now see I was wrong. I will be gone from these forums for the forseeable future.
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I feel so sorry for you…please don’t lose your faith…just because he has simplified some things…doesn’t mean that he is out to undo what Pope Benedict has done.

Please trust the Holy Spirit!
 
McCall1981 said:
For the past few years I’ve really been getting stronger in my faith and feeling like I wanted to devote more of my life to it, like maybe joining a third order or something like that. Since Pope Francis was elected my faith in the Church has become a huge question mark. I feel like I just have to wait and see what will happen.

Going to mass and praying used to be like the oasis of peace in the world for me, but the Popes actions have me very frightened. Now the thought of going to mass is very painful because something I love so much feels endangered.

Ive been researching Pope Francis to try and convince myself that things will be ok, because I really desperately want to trust and love him, but so far all I feel is fear.

I feel hollow and I really dont know what to do.
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Do read a post I just did with Pope facilitating the rite.
Do not be afraid…
Listen,we are talking about a rite and it´s ok.Yet,let´s worry that the millions of children who are hungry are taken wellcare of.Let´s pray for awareness,love and care for the poor and abandoned.That will take you a little bit away from your worries.
 
graciew said:
Hasire;10554902:
Haven’t seen him celebrating the Tridentine Rite. He basically prohibited Summorum Pontificum in Buenos Aires. Refused to use Traditional Pontifical garments.
QUOTE]
Instead of reading blogs,read the proper newspapers in Buenos Aires .
He fosted Summorum Pontif. 48 hours after the previuos Pope had allowed it,even facilitating a fixed day at a certain place cause not every priest know how to celebrate it.
Please consider going to proper fountains and try to not damage our Pope for nothing…
at least here is one:

%between%
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Tells me not to read blogs.
Answers me with a blog.
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marci said:
I have been in a state of shock. The washing of the feet jolted me out of it. I’ve been struggling with this since the smoke cleared. I think Easter will be the last Mass I attend in the Church. I’ve been doing a lot of research on the subject and I believe that my family and I can attend the Pius X Society Mass in good conscience.
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McCall1981 said:
I feel pretty devastated too, I’m trying very hard to love him and stay positive, but so far my faith feels gutted. I haven’t been to mass since he was elected, and its been very difficult even to pray.
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hudson said:
Pope Francis has devastated my faith this Lent. I came back to the Church under Pope Benedict because I thought things were going in the right direction, I now see I was wrong. I will be gone from these forums for the forseeable future.
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Well, for you three specifically, but for everyone in your situation. . . . I’ll be praying for you. That you’ll regain your faith in the Truth of God’s Church and that your faith will be stronger as it’s been tried in the fire, but also that you’ll learn to have faith in the Holy Spirit and truly accept that the gates of Hell WILL NOT prevail against the Church.
 
acarlson said:
Well, for you three specifically, but for everyone in your situation. . . . I’ll be praying for you. That you’ll regain your faith in the Truth of God’s Church and that your faith will be stronger as it’s been tried in the fire, but also that you’ll learn to have faith in the Holy Spirit and truly accept that the gates of Hell WILL NOT prevail against the Church.
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Me too. I will be praying for you. I will pray that God brings some peace to your souls and a smile on your faces.
Take care!
 
I can’t understand why anyone would be devastated. The Mass is still and always will be the Mass. The Eucharist Is still and always will be the Eucharist. If we cut ourselves off from the Church, don’t we cut ourselves off from these things as well?
 
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