Pope Francis washes feet

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Well, for you three specifically, but for everyone in your situation. . . . I’ll be praying for you. That you’ll regain your faith in the Truth of God’s Church and that your faith will be stronger as it’s been tried in the fire, but also that you’ll learn to have faith in the Holy Spirit and truly accept that the gates of Hell WILL NOT prevail against the Church.
Thank you, I appreciate your prayers very much.

I have faith in God, but at this point I have no trust in our Pope. A lot of people seem inspired by him and I actually feel a little jealous because I want so much to feel that way too, I’m trying everything I can think of to convince myself I love him and can trust him. Others are saying how warm he seems but I just feel coldness and, honestly, fear.
 
I’m struggling here not to be unkind to anyone in general or in particular. Let me just say that in my opinion “my way or the highway” is not the criteria by which we should practice our faith,
 
It’s actually both. But if you’re a Jesuit, you’re going to focus on one or the other. Since we have a pope whose methodology is very Ignatian, we have to learn the Ignatian way of teaching and preaching. However, his charism is very Franciscan. We have to learn to think as Franciscans think. Otherwise, the pope and we are going to be like ships passing in the night. It’s easier for the many to accommodate to the one.

I’m not sure who you mean when you say that it sends confusing signals. Who is the recipient of these signals? If you mean clergy and religious, I have to tell you that today life was as usual in that quarter of the Church. Not a single memo, blog, superior, bishop spoke much about it. The understanding by those who are orthodox is that the pope can do whatever he wants to do, because he’s the pope and the rest of us peons have to do the red and say the black. Those who are a law unto themselves did not need to pope to send them any message. It’s extremely important to avoid thinking for priests and religious. Our way of looking at Rome and the pope is very different from your own, probably because our relationship with Rome and the pope is very different from your own.

People who are saying this are not very knowledgeable of theology. Those whose feet are washed are not serving as ministers at the altar. Women priests would be ministers. One would have to construct a very long bridge to connect those two ideas.

As to ammunition, you keep forgetting or you don’t want to consider that this pope is a religious, not a secular priest. Religious have always been taught that we ignore what the world thinks, wants or does and we do what we’re told to do. If you’re in charge, you do what is best for the moment in front of you. You don’t think beyond that moment, because it disrupts your interior silence.

Does a Jesuit pope care what the secular world thinks? If he did, he would not be a Jesuit. A Jesuit pope approaches the secular world as St. Ignatius would. He discerns the spirits found in the secular world. He follows those that draw him closer to Christ and he ignores those that draw him further from Christ. As the Jesuit grows closer to Christ, so does everyone around him. This is St. Ignatius’ model.
It confuses many lay people whose blogs, articles, and musings I have read. For religious I have no idea, I try not to speak for them.

I know the Pope can do whatever he wants–within constraints of faith and morals–but my posts were simply a means to illustrate the reactions and what I supposed would be the reactions of the washing of women’s feet from the perspective of laypeople. I’m not saying that this was my reaction, simply pointing out those of people like Nicole Winfield (AP writer) and PrayTell blog readers, and Michael Sean Winters (NCReporter guy). To many people, there is a symbolic and, some hope, a future material connection between this and women’s ordination. I agree that a long bridge would have to be constructed, a very long one. Some people are willing to construct it.
 
I can’t understand why anyone would be devastated. The Mass is still and always will be the Mass. The Eucharist Is still and always will be the Eucharist. If we cut ourselves off from the Church, don’t we cut ourselves off from these things as well?
Its not so much the form of the mass for me (although I do care). Its that I feel like the faith/moral Truths of the Church are under attack and I dont have trust that they will be ok.
 
Its not so much the form of the mass for me (although I do care). Its that I feel like the faith/moral Truths of the Church are under attack and I dont have trust that they will be ok.
I understand. We all need to have faith in God and pray that His will is done. It will be OK. I promise.😉
 
Its not so much the form of the mass for me (although I do care). Its that I feel like the faith/moral Truths of the Church are under attack and I dont have trust that they will be ok.
But why? Because Pope Francis dresses differently to Benedict? Or washes the feet of women? What do either of these have to do with the faith and moral truths of the Church?

I don’t mean to ask in a condescending way but I’m really struggling to see the connection.
 
I have been going to Holy Thursday Masses for years, and have seen men, women, and children’s feet being washed. I believe it symbolizes how Christ’s disciples need to serve, not be served. I am SHOCKED at all the comments, especially in the National Catholic Registry under Jimmy Akin’s blog about it.

Pope Francis is taking people out of their comfort zone, just as Christ did. Praise God!
:amen: Thank you! I read the comments in Akin’s blog - holy COW - I can’t believe people are freaking out to this extreme. Catholics have certainly been put to the test over the past several years and I am stunned. The people who weathered the most foul scandals with such admirable faith - are shaken by a little cross-gender feet cleaning and a nod to the much needed reassurance that real change is happening. The Church got into trouble by focusing on self-preservation at the expense of innocents. Pope Francis is saying with actions and words that the duty of the Church is to serve Christ through helping the people that are desperate for the love of God. His acts of humility and grace are inspiring.
 
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Pope Francis has devastated my faith this Lent. I came back to the Church under Pope Benedict because I thought things were going in the right direction, I now see I was wrong. I will be gone from these forums for the forseeable future.
I feel pretty devastated too, I’m trying very hard to love him and stay positive, but so far my faith feels gutted. I haven’t been to mass since he was elected, and its been very difficult even to pray.
I am a long-time die-hard practically Medieval traditionalist, and I wouldn’t read too much into this whole incident - especially the secular media reporting of it. Pope Francis was simple being consistent with his own view of the value of humility. It is not the trappings of the Office that make the Pope, but the way he teaches and presents the Holy Faith. There is nothing to indicate he would seek to undo the work of Pope Benedict XVI, nor that he disagrees with anything Pope Benedict did or said.

The EF Mass and traditions of the Church will go on, however much the NewChurch crowd wish they would not. This Holy Catholic Church has survived a lot more than a little foot-washing.

Be of good cheer, my friends, and see you at the EF Easter Vigil! 🙂
 
Pope Francis has devastated my faith this Lent. I came back to the Church under Pope Benedict because I thought things were going in the right direction, I now see I was wrong. I will be gone from these forums for the forseeable future.
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If he can, why can’t you?
 
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  • “Among you, among the College of Cardinals, there is also the future Pope, to whom, here today, I already promise my unconditional reverence and obedience.”* : Benedict XVI
If he can, why can’t you?
Excellent point.

See the thing is I vividly remember certain sectors of the laity getting very scared and critical when Benedict was elected. Doubtless thinking ‘oh no, he’s going to undo the good that JP2 did with his fancy Prada (or so it was thought) shoes and his fancy gold cross and his stirring up trouble with that speech that the Muslims took offense to’.

And by all accounts lots of people adored John XXIII and some just couldn’t warm to the very different Paul VI.

Heck, back in the day people were probably saying ‘I dunno about this Linus bloke, he seems to have his heart in the right place but he sure ain’t no Peter’ 🙂

Please mods, I have absolutely nothing but admiration for all the Holy Fathers I have mentioned, I am making the point that we cannot expect them to all be cookie cutters or all equally suit our personal tastes in Pontiffs.
 
For the past few years I’ve really been getting stronger in my faith and feeling like I wanted to devote more of my life to it, like maybe joining a third order or something like that. Since Pope Francis was elected my faith in the Church has become a huge question mark. I feel like I just have to wait and see what will happen.

Going to mass and praying used to be like the oasis of peace in the world for me, but the Popes actions have me very frightened. Now the thought of going to mass is very painful because something I love so much feels endangered.

Ive been researching Pope Francis to try and convince myself that things will be ok, because I really desperately want to trust and love him, but so far all I feel is fear.

I feel hollow and I really dont know what to do.
With all due respect it sounds like you are reading too many blogs and forums run by schismatic groups.
Stop doing that and you’ll be fine.
 
It’s hard to take the article too seriously seeing as how not once, not twice, but three times, wrote “Massachusetts” instead of “Mass”, e.g. “celebrating the old Latin Massachusetts”.

Does the AP no longer employ editors?
They did when I was working in a newspaper.
But that was on a different planet.😉
 
My Baloney Detector immediately jumped into the Red Zone but I’ve got the one with the automatic one second cut-off. So now, I won’t have to worry about getting another one.
Mine started clicking when I read “AP”. Now to go count the stupid thing said in the article.
 
Well, for you three specifically, but for everyone in your situation. . . . I’ll be praying for you. That you’ll regain your faith in the Truth of God’s Church and that your faith will be stronger as it’s been tried in the fire, but also that you’ll learn to have faith in the Holy Spirit and truly accept that the gates of Hell WILL NOT prevail against the Church.
I really appreciate this sort of response as opposed to the usual response I’ve seen lately in the forums which is a bunch of anger and name-calling towards posters who don’t fall in line with everyone else’s feelings about our new Pope. There are people out there, myself included, that are struggling and working through REAL feelings whether we understand them or not. Most of us are NOT happy with our feelings, but they are there for whatever reason.

Rather than admonish them, it would be much more helpful to pray for them or give them as much information and reassurance to allay whatever concerns or fears they may have. I would say that there are probably a lot of people out there *beyond CAF *who are struggling with this and I think it would be a huge mistake if other Catholics ignore it or get angry with them.

Thank you for listening because I think it needed to be said. I hope what I wrote was not offensive because it was not meant to be.
 
I really have no issue with this. It is not required that the twelve be priests or bishops, so we already have a deviation of representation of the twelve. Any sense of re-enactment could only apply to the priest (in this case the Pope) anyway. Otherwise, have twelve bishops would be the most accurate portrayal.
 
For the past few years I’ve really been getting stronger in my faith and feeling like I wanted to devote more of my life to it, like maybe joining a third order or something like that. Since Pope Francis was elected my faith in the Church has become a huge question mark. I feel like I just have to wait and see what will happen.

Going to mass and praying used to be like the oasis of peace in the world for me, but the Popes actions have me very frightened. Now the thought of going to mass is very painful because something I love so much feels endangered.

Ive been researching Pope Francis to try and convince myself that things will be ok, because I really desperately want to trust and love him, but so far all I feel is fear.

I feel hollow and I really dont know what to do.
Hugs to you.
 
To those who are struggling with this.

You need to have you faith and trust in God. Trust that God will keep His church where He wants it because He has promised to. While it is good when we can also see a pope whom we believe is headed in the right direction, it is not necessary for us, because ultimately our faith is in God and His promises to His Church.

What I personally find interesting, is that our new priest had no women in the washing of the feet. And the similar reactions of people in the parish on the flip side.

This is not an issue of allowing women priests. It is about service. Which women need to do to, not just men And not just men who are destined to be priests.

Rest easy friends. Pray for our pope. And trust in Gods promises about His Church.
 
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