Pope gives new name, new focus to John Paul II Institute on Marriage and Family

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Vadne said:
I for one am happy this forum didn’t exist in the 14th century. We’d be hearing how popes like Urban VI and Boniface VIII commanded our obedience without question.
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Exactly! The old forums followed an ultramontane version of Catholicism because the Popes of that era were very precise and orthodox. Catholic Answers and that ultramontane version of Catholicism can’t survive the Francis era. We were lucky to have Popes like St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI but things have changed now. Everybody with a handful of brain cells knows that Pope Francis makes some very strange statements. While I don’t appreciate the ‘Magisterium of the Airplane’ I’m happy because it has revealed the shortcomings of the ‘obedience without question’ style of Catholicism. Some of the older members don’t like the new editorial approach but I feel liberated.
 
That is not a definitive judgemental answer.

“Rome has spoken the case is closed” refers to judgments laid down by Rome authoritatively for a matter concerning the church. Not private letters to a particular bishops conference
 
He is a bishop among bishops. He is not the church. He is a member of the church.

Jurisdictionaly , yes, he has more authority than any of his brother but bishops are not his vicars, they are bishops in their own right and equal with him in their ordination.

Nor is the pope an oracle that every utterance of his is treated as de fide . That’s a form of idolatry. The pope is NOT an absolute monarch. His authority has limits.

With your conception of the Pope in mind… if Pope Francis were to deny that Jesus is God must we obey him???
 
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There aren’t mutiple truths, truth is one and it is a person… God

We cannot allow any divergent opinions other than the truthful one as any other opinion will condemn souls to hell. Unlike human law which can be corrected , the effects of errors relating to theology have eternal consequences that cannot be changed. It is imperative that only one interpretation exist… the truthful one
 
Saxum said:
We were lucky to have Popes like St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI but things have changed now.
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My memory has not failed me. When these two were pope, the same traditionalist were criticizing them just as much, or at least in the same manner. Now one is a saint and both considered bastions of traditional values.
 
Men’s understanding sometimes does not fully comprehend God’s truth for decades or centuries. On another thread there is the discussion of how 16th century missionaries believed that those who died unbaptized were doomed; now the Church teaching has evolved somewhat. We must be constantly seeking to learn in an open-minded way and not just assume we know all of “God’s truth”. Otherwise we become like the Protestants who say “if it’s not in the Bible, then it’s not from God”.
 
pnewton said:
My memory has not failed me. When these two were pope, the same traditionalist were criticizing them just as much, or at least in the same manner. Now one is a saint and both considered bastions of traditional values.
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Your memory is probably correct because many believe that the Church has been in crisis since Vatican II; Pope Benedict gave support to this view when he discussed ‘the Council of the media.’

However, there is one difference. Amoris Laetitia strikes at the heart of Catholic moral doctrines and also encourages sacrilegious communions - at least in Germany, Argentina and Malta. The crisis is so bad that places like EWTN are in agreement.
 
Should I be reassured that so many forum members consider themselves to be wiser and holier than the Pope?
 
Weird…you forget the part of the cleaning and who he was addressing to.
Pay a visit to Río…if you want…
And if I am wrong and it wasn t Río,look it up. Won t hurt anyway to be kind every now and then to your Pope.
 
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Do you really want to know?
It is colloquial, we use it all the time with children, and it has no weird meaning.
It is perfectly fine to use it in any setting.
What do you want?
 
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Alright, quick poll.

Have you read any of Amoris Laetitia?​

  • I’ve read the whole thing.
  • I’ve read more than half, but not all of it.
  • I’ve read some, but less than half.
  • I’ve only read a handful of quotes as reported in secondary sources.
  • I’ve seen none of it.
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I read the whole thing. Not in any scholarly way, but enough to talk about it with some priest & deacon friends.
 
Edited and deleted bc I tried to uote AGAIN and it didn’t work. I give up on this terrible new format. Buh-bye. Oh and God bless!!
 
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Vadne said:
No one is bashing the pope. You consistently interpret the remotest questioning of any papal decision as “bashing.”
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Well Vadne, I did sense a “ridiculing” tone in your reaction to the news. pnewton provided the correct facts as to the age of institute and a calm rationale for the Pope’s actions. I saw no accusation of Pope bashing.
 
I think this proclamation is troubling when sound logic is applied which is why the pope seems to not want to respond to the questions of the four cardinals. This is not about mercy. If there are some priests who treat such people as mentioned badly, without compassion then that is a failing that can be addressed separately to what appears to be an illogical fudge to church law deceitfully pushed through misrepresented committees which may well have bad effects. I am embarrassed as a Catholic that the church seems to be falling back on the divisive PC thought that those with traditional cultural thought who do not agree with their own views are without mercy and somehow bad people, Such an embarrassing response is not an argument and wins few hearts and minds.
 
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From the Catholic World Report:

“The news from the Vatican this past week that the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family would be no more—or, should I say, would be “rebooted” with a new name: John Paul II Pontifical Theological Institute for Marriage and Family Sciences—was like a punch in the stomach. Surprising, but not shocking.”

CWR article here.
 
abucs said:
I think this proclamation is troubling when sound logic is applied which is why the pope seems to not want to respond to the questions of the four cardinals.
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Whaaaaaat? This has nothing to do with all that dubia stuff. For those of us who read the full text of Amoris Laetitia this is in perfect accord with what he said about strengthening families. You know, the rest of the exhortation. I see no harm in expanding education, equipping priests and honoring his saintly predecessor.
 
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