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kalt
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What does “against wall” mean?
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LDNCatholic
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I’m assuming from reading the article that they want His Holiness to oppose the wall.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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“Here the path of the world’s three great monotheistic religions meets, reminding us what they share in common,” said the pope.
Benedict XVI is the first Vatican pope to visit the site highly venerated by Muslims.
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“Here the path of the world’s three great monotheistic religions meets, reminding us what they share in common,” said the pope.
Benedict XVI is the first Vatican pope to visit the site highly venerated by Muslims.
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OneTrueCathApos
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If you thought Peter was the pope, you would be a Catholic, since Protestants do not believe this, and if you DID believe this, it would be acknowledging the Catholic faith. Do you believe St. Peter was the first pope? Do you believe the pope is the successor to St. Peter? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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OneTrueCathApos
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The pope had a great visit in Jordan, he was well respected by the Muslims there. He gets to Israel and there is controversy? The Jews were upset that the pope didn’t say the word “murdered” instead the pope said the word “killed” when referring to the number of Jews who were killed at the Holocaust. Not for nothing, but why is it that the Jews constantly complain about every thing? They are simply never going to be happy with anything that is not their way. Quite frank, I was upset at this ridiculous comment from them but I am not surprised by it.
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tomarin
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But Orthodox Christians believe that the Pope is the successor of St. Peter – they even believe in papal primacy, but they reject other things that Catholics acribe to the papacy, such as universal jurisdiction and doctrinal infallibility. And Orthodox are obviously not Catholics. I think some Protestants (not the “Bible only” type obviously) have similar ideas.
I think you may be guilty of making overly broad generalizations about Protestants (aka stereotyping).
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O.S.Luke
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Nowhere it is written down in the doctrine or history of my communion that we don’t believe Peter was the first Pope. I don’t think Martin Luther had any problems with Peter being the first Pope either. The problem wasn’t the Pope.
You REALLY need to think before you speak, OTCA.
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Hesychios
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I know Saint Peter was the first Patriarch of Antioch. Oddly there is no indication he was the first Patriarch of Jerusalem, the Mother church.
There are many successors to Saint Peter. All Orthodox bishops are successors to Saint Peter. It’s in their “lineage”.
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O.S.Luke
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Thank you, Tomarin. However, you will now bear the wrath of OTCA as being a disloyal Catholic since you disagree with her.
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tomarin
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I’ve been called worse things than disloyal for pointing out logical fallacies.
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tomarin
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I have a thick skin.
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OneTrueCathApos
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Protestants DO NOT BELIEVE PETER WAS THE POPE, LET ALONE THE FIRST ONE. Heck, they even deny he was ever in Rome. You are not Catholic correct? You are Methodist which was founded by John and Charles Wesley in england in 1744. Correct? Correct me if you are not Methodist. Believing that Peter was the first pope, therefore Catholicism, then why aren’t you a Catholic if Christ founded this church? And try to refrain with your digs about me. Just discuss the situation.
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jam070406
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Yes, you are correct. Pope Benedict XVI is the 266th successor to St. Peter, of the Church of Rome, which has held the orthodox Faith.
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OneTrueCathApos
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Every religion is an off-shoot of Catholicism. The Orthodox broke away in the year 1054 in unity with the pope.
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tomarin
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True, but as a schismatic group they have their own distinct beliefs. One of them is that the Pope is the successor of St. Peter. So it’s not true that “if you believed the Pope is St. Peter’s successor you would be Catholic.” You could be Orthodox (or as I pointed out one of many Protestant denominations which have views like the Orthodox).
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dzheremi
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Is this thread about the Pope’s visit to the Middle East, or about rehashing differences between Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants? Let’s pick a topic and stick with it, folks.
There is a big story on the front page of today’s New York Times on the Pope’s visit to the holy land. The title of the article is “Mideast Christians Losing Numbers and Sway”.
I am glad that the Pope is so well-received by the king of Jordan and the religious leaders in Palestine, but like any highly publicized visit, if it doesn’t bring about any lasting change in the immigration patterns of Christians driven out of their homelands by Islamic extremism and political instability (and there’s no reason to expect that it will), then it will be all for naught. I am tired of photo ops and goodwill conferences while Nineveh is treated like a huge game of chess with bombs between Sunni Arabs and Kurds and nobody says anything about it (wouldn’t want to seem like we’re “playing favorites”, huh?), while Maronites are treated like begrudged guests of the Shia state of Hizbullahstan and we’re supposed to believe like there is no problem because the president is a Maronite, etc. What do nice words from the king of Jordan or correct but unheeded warnings from the Pope do about the political and social realities of the region? The leaders of these countries will listen to the Pope, maybe even truly agree with what he says (I think the king of Jordan is the genuine article with regard to his position on Christians in his kingdom), and business will go on as usual across the region, with mass immigration of Christians from the area being the result of an increasingly intolerant religious landscape.
There is a big story on the front page of today’s New York Times on the Pope’s visit to the holy land. The title of the article is “Mideast Christians Losing Numbers and Sway”.
I am glad that the Pope is so well-received by the king of Jordan and the religious leaders in Palestine, but like any highly publicized visit, if it doesn’t bring about any lasting change in the immigration patterns of Christians driven out of their homelands by Islamic extremism and political instability (and there’s no reason to expect that it will), then it will be all for naught. I am tired of photo ops and goodwill conferences while Nineveh is treated like a huge game of chess with bombs between Sunni Arabs and Kurds and nobody says anything about it (wouldn’t want to seem like we’re “playing favorites”, huh?), while Maronites are treated like begrudged guests of the Shia state of Hizbullahstan and we’re supposed to believe like there is no problem because the president is a Maronite, etc. What do nice words from the king of Jordan or correct but unheeded warnings from the Pope do about the political and social realities of the region? The leaders of these countries will listen to the Pope, maybe even truly agree with what he says (I think the king of Jordan is the genuine article with regard to his position on Christians in his kingdom), and business will go on as usual across the region, with mass immigration of Christians from the area being the result of an increasingly intolerant religious landscape.
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O.S.Luke
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You must paint all Protestants with a brush a mile wide. Good grief.
Peter was the first pope. Benedict XVI is the present Pope. The Methodist Church was founded by the Wesleys (but not in America until the Christmas Conference, 1784).
These are historical facts. History is history. I mean, Martin Luther believed Peter was the first pope. Good lord…
Yes, I am Methodist. Peter was the first pope. I have no problem with Catholic history. I, along with many others, had problems with Catholic politics and practice during the Reformation.
You’re basically telling me because I am a Republican that I don’t believe Barack Obama is the president.
This is ridiculous, OTCA. Even for you.
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O.S.Luke
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Correction: every Christian religion.
OTCA,
I am providing for you a link to the USCCB website, where you will find a document that, should you read it, will be very informative regarding this issue.
usccb.org/seia/lutheran.shtml
Then click on the article: Differing Attitudes Toward Papal Primacy" 1973
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