Pope JP2 a Liberal?

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catharina said:
Reflecting on your posts in this and the other thread, I can only suggest that your self-stated visceral hatred of the Pope and the Holy Bible that was a major issue for you when you “returned to the Church” is still a problem for you.

As I said: “Glory be to God.” I do hope you find peace. Bye.
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I don’t hate the Pope, I’m just not going to approve of the occasional public sin. That doesn’t mean I hate him, it only means I view him as he is, a man of God that can make mistakes. Certain examples of his is why I was able to leave the Church when I did with a clear conscience, not to mention just another way for non-Catholics to bash the Church.
 
Remembering the words of Our Lord to St. Peter: " … upon this rock I shall build my church and the forces of hell shall not prevail against it," I have to conclude there is no viable justification, “conscientious” or otherwise, for leaving the Church. If one claims to have “returned” to the Church, still justifying one’s departure, I can only wonder if one has actually returned at all.
 
catharina said:
Remembering the words of Our Lord to St. Peter: " … upon this rock I shall build my church and the forces of hell shall not prevail against it," I have to conclude there is no viable justification, “conscientious” or otherwise, for leaving the Church. If one claims to have “returned” to the Church, still justifying one’s departure, I can only wonder if one has actually returned at all.
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Bad example doesn’t justify my leaving, I only meant that for me, and others, it was a major scandal and a reason why I didn’t feel the need to come back. Bad example though, whether frequent or on occasion, do not override the promise of Jesus, as you’ve said. “The gates of Hell shall not prevail against It.” Comforting words if ever there were, eh?
 
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**How dare you condemn a man of GOD, you know nothing of the facts of Assisi or any of the things you accuse him of!!!
How about you produce documentation for your statements of belief!

And this statement of yours…
I prefer not to violate His laws, nor do I prefer to encourage others to do so.
It sure appears to me (and others here) that you do prefer to violate His laws by these accusations of this man of God & encouraging to others to follow you!:mad:**
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Regarding your statement (above) to JofA?
I agree completely with you. Aloha!
 
catharina said:
Regarding your statement (above) to JofA?
I agree completely with you. Aloha!
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How mature. I’m trying to maintain a peaceful spirit here and you just continuously condemn like a rebellious teen. Good grief! Try imitating John Paul II’s example, since you believe it to never be in err.
 
1 Peter 3

"9 Do not return evil for evil, or insult for insult; but, on the contrary, a blessing, because to this you were called, that you might inherit a blessing. 10 For: “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep the tongue from evil and the lips from speaking deceit, 11 must turn from evil and do good, seek peace and follow after it.”
 
dixieagle said:
Refer back to my previous posts re: Benedict’s very recent take on things. Though I know you find it hard to accept, it is likely His Holiness has a better grasp on this issue than you or I. SImply put, if the current pope, who has had plenty of time to contemplate and consider the Assisi meeting of 20+ years ago, has modified his view, then I accept that as the definitive word on the situation.

To be honest, and to speak quite plainly, I believe that if accepting the teachings, writings, and pronouncements (both ex cathedra and otherwise) of the Holy Father, Christ’s Vicar on earth, who has been elected by the Cardinals inspired by the Holy Spirit, is so very difficult for you, then I think that some consideration must be given as to whether you truly accept what being Catholic entails.
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I agree with your conclusions.
 
I actually don’t know much about John Paul II. I tried reading “Witness to Hope” but, my God, it’s an impossible task. Two images are burned into my mind of His Late Holiness, one of him sitting in the cell with the man who tried to kill him, in obvious mental anguish. The other is of him at Assisi, standing side by side with the Dalai Lama. The first depicts an honest Christian soul, doing what he was commanded by his Lord. The other leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like, why wasn’t he asking them to convert, you know? In my head, John Paul II practised the Christian virtues heroically, but didn’t assert Christianity enough. Saint? Yes. “St. John Paul the Great, Doctor of the Church”? I’m afraid not…
 
catharina said:
1 Peter 3

"9 Do not return evil for evil, or insult for insult; but, on the contrary, a blessing, because to this you were called, that you might inherit a blessing. 10 For: “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep the tongue from evil and the lips from speaking deceit, 11 must turn from evil and do good, seek peace and follow after it.”
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how does this justify your **constant **condemnations?
 
catharina said:
Regarding your statement (above) to JofA?
I agree completely with you. Aloha!
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👍 God bless you, Catharina. I honestly don’t understand how anyone can find it ok to judge the Holy Father and still believe they are good Catholics.🤷
joanofarc3 said:
How mature. I’m trying to maintain a peaceful spirit here and you just continuously condemn like a rebellious teen. Good grief! Try imitating John Paul II’s example, since you believe it to never be in err.
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I truly wish you could maintain a peaceful spirit here!
Has anyone stated they believe JP II never erred? I don’t think so. And how I wish and pray I could follow his example of leading a holy life!👍
 
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👍 God bless you, Catharina. I honestly don’t understand how anyone can find it ok to judge the Holy Father and still believe they are good Catholics.🤷

I truly wish you could maintain a peaceful spirit here!
Has anyone stated they believe JP II never erred? I don’t think so. And how I wish and pray I could follow his example of leading a holy life!👍
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We can recall that one of the most damning statements of those who rejected Jesus Christ, was that He hung out with sinners. Some things never change?
 
catharina said:
We can recall that one of the most damning statements of those who rejected Jesus Christ, was that He hung out with sinners. Some things never change?
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He told the sinners to repent. I didn’t see His Holiness telling the Dalai Lama to repent…
 
Pope_Noah_I said:
I actually don’t know much about John Paul II. I tried reading “Witness to Hope” but, my God, it’s an impossible task. Two images are burned into my mind of His Late Holiness, one of him sitting in the cell with the man who tried to kill him, in obvious mental anguish. The other is of him at Assisi, standing side by side with the Dalai Lama. The first depicts an honest Christian soul, doing what he was commanded by his Lord. The other leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like, why wasn’t he asking them to convert, you know? In my head, John Paul II practised the Christian virtues heroically, but didn’t assert Christianity enough. Saint? Yes. “St. John Paul the Great, Doctor of the Church”? I’m afraid not…
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Pope Noah I, please don’t sit in judgment of JP II. You nor anyone else (other than God) knows/knew what was in his heart & soul! Not knowing the whole story about any of the things he is accused of on this board is pitiful to say the least.😦
 
Pope_Noah_I said:
He told the sinners to repent. I didn’t see His Holiness telling the Dalai Lama to become repent…
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Were you present at all of their conversations? If you were, then you might be highly knowledgeable as to the facts at hand.
 
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Pope Noah I, please don’t sit in judgment of JP II. You nor anyone else (other than God) knows/knew what was in his heart & soul! Not knowing the whole story about any of the things he is accused of on this board is pitiful to say the least.😦
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I’m not saying the man wasn’t a Saint, I’m just saying that maybe the Church shouldn’t recognize his as Pope St. John Paul the Great, Doctor of the Church. There are only two other Popes who have recieved such honors, Pope St. Leo I and Pope St. Gregory I. Our Beloved Servant of God’s reign was long, but was it great? That is the question that the centuries after us will be asking, long after we are dead…
 
The Holy Father travelled as the Holy Father, always clearly representing the Church. He did not travel as a hippie, a “seeker” or as a close buddy of such excommunicated extremes as Fox and Lefebvre. That radical extremists were never able to pull strings and compromise the teachings of the Church seems to annoy them.

Who’s surprised?
 
catharina said:
The Holy Father travelled as the Holy Father, always clearly representing the Church. He did not travel as a hippie, a “seeker” or as a close buddy of such excommunicated extremes as Fox and Lefebvre. *That radical extremists were never able to pull strings *and compromise the teachings of the Church seems to annoy them.

Who’s surprised?
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What about Altar girls? Communion in the hand? Visiting synagogues, mosques, and protestant churchs? It seems to me that the left was able to pull his strings more than the right. I could always be wrong though…
 
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