Pope JP2 on Homosexuality

[brb3]

“Homosexuality is not a ‘variant’ of human sexuality that can be put on an equal footing with heterosexuality. It is the expression of unresolved conflict tension in a tendency that is separate from sexual identity.” …World Youth Day, 2003

 

[SaintFrancis333]

amen

 

[Faithdancer]

Amen, amen!

 

[rothko26]

I believe this view is wrong. The contrary view has been accepted by all the major mental health organisations, and will be adopted by the Catholic church in its own time.

 

[SaintFrancis333]

I believe this view is wrong. The contrary view has been accepted by all the major mental health organisations, and will be adopted by the Catholic church in its own time.

If you believe that then you have to acknowledge pedophilia (or any attraction by adults to children or minors) as normal. Or people who want to engage in sexual relationships with family members. Or with animals. Politicized science will talk of homosexuality having no negative repercussions. Real science paints a different picture. Tremendous increase risk to contracting aids (for homosexual males), huuuge spike in suicide in practicing homosexual teens, take your pick. The list of negative goes on and on. Can’t change laws based on someones “feelings”. Serial killers “feel” good when they murder people. I guess it’s time to legalize murder (oh wait, abortion, they already did)

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

If you believe that then you have to acknowledge pedophilia (or any attraction by adults to children or minors) as normal. Or people who want to engage in sexual relationships with family members. Or with animals. Politicized science will talk of homosexuality having no negative repercussions. Real science paints a different picture. Tremendous increase risk to contracting aids (for homosexual males), huuuge spike in suicide in practicing homosexual teens, take your pick. The list of negative goes on and on. Can’t change laws based on someones “feelings”. Serial killers “feel” good when they murder people. I guess it’s time to legalize murder (oh wait, abortion, they already did)

1. The increased chance of HIV is largely due to a much higher percentage having it already, also many gays have never and have intention to do anal sex plus lesbians have a lower than heterosexuals rate.
2. it isn’t just out teenagers and/or sexually active ones who commit suicide.

 

[buffalo]

I believe this view is wrong. The contrary view has been accepted by all the major mental health organisations, and will be adopted by the Catholic church in its own time.

Is this an argument from popularity?

Which one’s?

 

[CopticChristian]

I believe this view is wrong. The contrary view has been accepted by all the major mental health organisations, and will be adopted by the Catholic church in its own time.

Rothko,

This is not true. What is true is the Homosexuals run the American Psychiatric Association and the AMA and many other irrelevant societies that believe they can set policy for thinking have accepted this.

You, others, lurkers need to get up to speed with the Reformation of thinking…you can find it here…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=769113

**The Reformation for Secular Homosexual thinking **

The Catholic Medical Association
The Catholic Psychotherapy Association
The Catholic National Social Workers Association
The American College of Pediatrics
The Christian Psychological Association

Do not accept the secular party line…

Please note the American Psychiatric Association says Alcoholism is a disorder, The AMA says it is a disease and the AMA promotes religious healing with the 12 step religion of AA.

SMART, ST. Jude rehab, St. Gregory rehab, Stanton Peele, PhD, and Reid Hester Phd as well as others say Alcoholism is not a disease and say that you can approach this without religious healing, since there is less than a 5% success rate.

So if the Homosexual/APA says Homosexuality is not a disorder and religion has not place…

then they need to correct their thinking with Alcoholism

otherwise there will be the opposite opinion of Addiction as it concerns Homosexuality

Homosexuality is not a Disorder and the only therapy should be for acceptance and religion has no place.

well then

Homosexuality is a problem that people want help for and therapy for other than acceptance should be available even if it means religion.

The AMA and APA cannot have one standard for one thing and another standard for another…If they state that one thing is a disorder/disease and they do nothing to silence those that disagree and they have a point of view then there is no way to silence someone that denies, in this case, Homosexuality as declared. You can’t have two standards and expect that one should be one way and the other another. Either you have absolute ability to state this is a disease, like alcoholism that everyone denies…so to state the Homosexulaity is not a disorder allows for the counter point of view to exist based on the inability to silence anyone that says that alcoholism is not a disorder/disease…

The Church will probably adopt the attitude of the Catholic Medical Association…you should too

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I believe this view is wrong. The contrary view has been accepted by all the major mental health organisations, and will be adopted by the Catholic church in its own time.

The Catholic Church has never asserted that homosexuality is a mental illness or is changeable

 

[Frank_Drebin]

I believe this view is wrong. The contrary view has been accepted by all the major mental health organisations, and will be adopted by the Catholic church in its own time.

Atheists have been saying for centuries that the Church will “get with the times”. Go read a history book before proclaiming deep thoughts about the Church changing. Her teachings on this issue have and will never change. I’d place a wager with you, but I can’t collect from a man long after he is dead, so there is no point. Besides, I am not sure you know what we actually teach anyway, given your post.

 

[DexUK]

I see no reason why acceptance of homosexuality has to require subsequent acceptance of various 'philias…

The most obvious reason being that for paedophilia, there does not and cannot exist a necessary pre-requisite for making the activities acceptable in any shape or form: that being consent. A child cannot consent to such activity, therefore, no matter how ‘natural’ the adult may feel their desires might be, they can never be acceptable because it requires the element of force to be present in the acting upon those desires, and force in a sexual context is a complete and total no-no.

 

[fix]

I believe this view is wrong. The contrary view has been accepted by all the major mental health organisations, and will be adopted by the Catholic church in its own time.

The Church cannot adopt a moral untruth.

 

[90Domer]

I believe this view is wrong. The contrary view has been accepted by all the major mental health organisations, and will be adopted by the Catholic church in its own time.

I think Hades freezing over will sooner happen. The RCC will NEVER accept this act as a moral expression of sexuality. They haven’t in more than 2000 years. Why would they change now?

 

[90Domer]

1. The increased chance of HIV is largely due to a much higher percentage having it already, also many gays have never and have intention to do anal sex plus lesbians have a lower than heterosexuals rate.
2. it isn’t just out teenagers and/or sexually active ones who commit suicide.

I’m not sure about that. The CDC was alarmed at the amount of SSA men having unprotected sex on acct of the fact that HIV is not an automatic death sentence.

Also, you have a large subset of SSA men known as “bug chasers” who look to have sex with HIV positive men just in order to contract HIV. Don’t believe me? Read it here:

freerepublic.com/focus/news/828217/posts

And this is not a religious publication. Gross.

 

[CopticChristian]

I see no reason why acceptance of homosexuality has to require subsequent acceptance of various 'philias…

The most obvious reason being that for paedophilia, there does not and cannot exist a necessary pre-requisite for making the activities acceptable in any shape or form: that being consent. A child cannot consent to such activity, therefore, no matter how ‘natural’ the adult may feel their desires might be, they can never be acceptable because it requires the element of force to be present in the acting upon those desires, and force in a sexual context is a complete and total no-no.

Dex,

Explain this…

I see no reason why acceptance of homosexuality has to require subsequent acceptance of various 'philias…

For discussion, let us just forget about philias, that most secular people have little understanding of nor experience with. Let’s just forget about personal experience.

What does “acceptance of homosexuality” mean?

Are you suggesting that Homosexuality is normal and should be accepted as normal?

Are you suggesting that Homosexuality is like the color of your eyes and unchangeable?

Are you suggesting that Homosexuality should be accepted and therapy for acceptance is the only therapy?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean for the Catholic Church?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean as it regards the homosexual?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean in terms of is it not a problem?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean in terms of is it moral to say homosexuals are homosexuals and their actions are just thier actions and need to be judged as moral.

Help us understand what acceptance of homosexuality means.

 

[DexUK]

Dex,

Explain this…

For discussion, let us just forget about philias, that most secular people have little understanding of nor experience with. Let’s just forget about personal experience.

What does “acceptance of homosexuality” mean?

Are you suggesting that Homosexuality is normal and should be accepted as normal?

Are you suggesting that Homosexuality is like the color of your eyes and unchangeable?

Are you suggesting that Homosexuality should be accepted and therapy for acceptance is the only therapy?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean for the Catholic Church?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean as it regards the homosexual?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean in terms of is it not a problem?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean?

What does acceptance of homosexuality mean in terms of is it moral to say homosexuals are homosexuals and their actions are just thier actions and need to be judged as moral.

Help us understand what acceptance of homosexuality means.

I was answering the point:

If you believe that then you have to acknowledge pedophilia (or any attraction by adults to children or minors) as normal.

Sorry, I failed to quote.

Clear now?

 

[CopticChristian]

I was answering the point:

Sorry, I failed to quote.

Clear now?

Dex,

Clarity is always apprciated. It would cause the reader to believe that acceptance means…

Homosexuality is like the color of your eyes, fixed and unchangeable. Clarity confirms that this is not true.

Homosexuality acceptance would mean that counseling for acceptance is the only counseling that should be availalble for homosexuals. Clarity confirms that this is not true.

It would be a travesty if someone reading these threads saw…

I see no reason why acceptance of homosexuality has to require subsequent acceptance of various 'philias…

they would believe wrongly that there is a differentiation as it regards unnatural acts like Homosexuality. The philias are of course sin and no one would suggest that accepting Homosexuality is not sin.

There are 415 people viewing this thread and it would be wise to be clear…there may be some that would believe that someone that is Catholic is saying that Catholics should accept Homosexuality as normal. Praise the lord you added clarity.

Thank you for you clarity!

 

[DexUK]

Dex,

Clarity is always apprciated. It would cause the reader to believe that acceptance means…

Homosexuality is like the color of your eyes, fixed and unchangeable. Clarity confirms that this is not true.

Homosexuality acceptance would mean that counseling for acceptance is the only counseling that should be availalble for homosexuals. Clarity confirms that this is not true.

It would be a travesty if someone reading these threads saw…

they would believe wrongly that there is a differentiation as it regards unnatural acts like Homosexuality. The philias are of course sin and no one would suggest that accepting Homosexuality is not sin.

There are 415 people viewing this thread and it would be wise to be clear…there may be some that would believe that someone that is Catholic is saying that Catholics should accept Homosexuality as normal. Praise the lord you added clarity.

Thank you for you clarity!

Mockery is unbecoming in an adult.

I was being perfectly clear. I was illustrating why the acceptance of homosexuality does not automatically lead to the acceptance of paedophilia or the various other 'philias that are hawked around as scare tactics, along with other ridiculous arguments such as ‘legalising gay marriage will lead to people demanding the rights to ‘marry’ their furniture’. All of these are fallacial ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ arguments.

Argue the rights and wrongs of homosexuality by all means, but don’t try to scare people into agreeing with you by dangling hideously repugnant but impossible scenarios in front of them. I prefer to argue honestly.

 

[CopticChristian]

Mockery is unbecoming in an adult.

I was being perfectly clear. I was illustrating why the acceptance of homosexuality does not automatically lead to the acceptance of paedophilia or the various other 'philias that are hawked around as scare tactics, along with other ridiculous arguments such as ‘legalising gay marriage will lead to people demanding the rights to ‘marry’ their furniture’. All of these are fallacial ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ arguments.

Argue the rights and wrongs of homosexuality by all means, but don’t try to scare people into agreeing with you by dangling hideously repugnant but impossible scenarios in front of them. I prefer to argue honestly.

Dex,

Thank you for further clarity.

 

[josethomas]

If Church accepts homosexuality all heterosexuals will perhaps leave the Church. Homosexuality is an abomination as per the Bible. Church cannot accept both homosexuality and heterosexuality. Inconsistent and Incombatible. All structures against God will fall down one day or the other. However persons will high temptations to sin, should be dealt with mercy. That doesnot mean that we can have mercy to sinful behaviour.