Pope Leo X question

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i was reading Pope Leo X’s papal bull condemning Martin Luther (Exsurge Domine) and i ran across this part that i found interesting.
  1. The Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, is not the vicar of Christ over all the churches of the entire world, instituted by Christ Himself in blessed Peter. :confused:
and this:
  1. It is certain that it is not in the power of the Church or the pope to decide upon the articles of faith, and much less concerning the laws for morals or for good works. :confused:
can someone (knowlegable Catholic) please explain this or put it into proper context? why would he say these things?? :confused:

the full writing is here:
papalencyclicals.net/Leo10/l10exdom.htm
 
These are condemned heresies which are held by Luther. Some of the encyclicals are difficult to interpret because of the way they are listed. But if you look at the beginning of the list you will see that those items numbered and listed are condemned heresies.

Hence, the Pope really does believe in the authority of the Church.

CDL
 
GregoryPalamas said:
These are condemned heresies which are held by Luther. Some of the encyclicals are difficult to interpret because of the way they are listed. But if you look at the beginning of the list you will see that those items numbered and listed are condemned heresies.

Hence, the Pope really does believe in the authority of the Church.

CDL
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aaaah, i see. so basically he’s saying, look, the pope and the church can’t change the teachings or interpret them on their own, what makes you think you can?..Mr. Luther.
is this correct?
 
I think you have it. The same problem arises in rightly understanding the Syllabus of Errors. Pope Pius IX lists several heresies that he condemns but if one isn’t careful one can get confused.

CDL
 
jam070406 said:
i was reading Pope Leo X’s papal bull condemning Martin Luther (Exsurge Domine) and i ran across this part that i found interesting.
  1. The Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, is not the vicar of Christ over all the churches of the entire world, instituted by Christ Himself in blessed Peter. :confused:
and this:
  1. It is certain that it is not in the power of the Church or the pope to decide upon the articles of faith, and much less concerning the laws for morals or for good works. :confused:
can someone (knowlegable Catholic) please explain this or put it into proper context? why would he say these things?? :confused:

the full writing is here:
papalencyclicals.net/Leo10/l10exdom.htm
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These are just two of the erroneous positions held by Luther and condemned by the Pope.
 
rr1213 said:
So does that mean that heretics ARE to be burned at the stake?
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Not that it’s required but that it is permissible (or was at the time - the church has developed a little in its stance on capital punishment of all types, so in modern times it is probably not appropriate 😃 )
 
If those are condemned, then that means that heretics are not to be burned, but that Luther held that they are.
 
Lazerlike42 said:
If those are condemned, then that means that heretics are not to be burned, but that Luther held that they are.
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No, Leo X says that the following ideas of Luther are to be condemned, one of which is that it is against the will of the Holy Spirit to burn heretics. That is, Leo X is saying that it is not against the will of the Holy Spirit to burn heretics.
 
It was my reading of Exurge Domine that made me realize that Luther had, in fact departed from the historic faith on several points. That’s precisely why he was excommunicated. I knew enough about the Church Fathers to know that Luther was in the wrong on the points listed by Leo X…
 
conan025 said:
It was my reading of Exurge Domine that made me realize that Luther had, in fact departed from the historic faith on several points. That’s precisely why he was excommunicated. I knew enough about the Church Fathers to know that Luther was in the wrong on the points listed by Leo X…
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Luther published something called “The Three Walls of the Papists” or something like that. If you really want to know how heretical he is this will also show it.

CDL
 
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