Pope: Migrants should heed host's values

[Ituyu]

Thing is… they just take jobs for WAGES that Americans wouldn’t work for.

So long as immigrants come over legal… whether they are Protestant… Catholic or whatever… they should be allowed to come over.

There is plenty of blame to go around… and a whole lot of it really does rest on thier home countries governments.

So why wouldn’t making them “legal” be the thing to do?

 

[pnewton]

But laws that violate the laws of nature are not possible to observe and violating such laws does not make us or them a lawless people especially when time is of the essence. We can’t say that we have honest jobs that we need and want you to do here that will allow you to provide for your family but you can only have them by crossing a line “illegally” and not expect them to take them because they really have no other choice. It’s like saying it’s illegal for them to breathe…

This is where I do not agree. I can not see where working in another country can be equated with breathing or any violation of a natural law. If their home country was at war and they were displaced I can see that. In that sense I understand this might apply to some of the Central Americans that come over. After all, Mexico is worse than the US about their southern border, while hypocritically criticizing the US. While you might not see the parallel with the vigilantes, an arguement can be made that protecting one’s home is more “natural law” than relocating to work. I do not agree, of course, but I do see their point of view. Violence has erupted over less and if we dismiss this view out of hand we leave them not other legal option. Isn’t that the arguement you make for the illegal immigration.

BTW - Since it already came up that migrants work for less, I would like to point out that we do have minimum wage established by law in this country. Anyone who would pay less is violating the biblical directive that a workman is worthy of their hire, as well as the condemnation of denying the poor man his wages. Employees who do this are going to make God very angry, free enterprise, not withstanding.

 

[Ituyu]

This is where I do not agree. I can not see where working in another country can be equated with breathing or any violation of a natural law. If their home country was at war and they were displaced I can see that. In that sense I understand this might apply to some of the Central Americans that come over.

Because, I’m speaking in terms of survival. Work is the only way they can provide for their families.

After all, Mexico is worse than the US about their southern border, while hypocritically criticizing the US

 

[Jeffrey]

Nope… we would be rewarding them for bad behavior… thus opening the door for other illegals to just come over and wait for amnesty.

So why wouldn’t making them “legal” be the thing to do?

 

[Jeffrey]

I agree. We should also go after the business’ that hire them.

BTW - Since it already came up that migrants work for less, I would like to point out that we do have minimum wage established by law in this country. Anyone who would pay less is violating the biblical directive that a workman is worthy of their hire, as well as the condemnation of denying the poor man his wages. Employees who do this are going to make God very angry, free enterprise, not withstanding.

 

[prv]

billions of tax dollars. you have to fight the demand.

as long as mexicans are catholic and come here legally to work to provide for themselves and family a better life, we should welcome them open arms. but if they are protestant or agnostic/atheist, we should send them back where they came from.

As long as they are catholic?! (BTW, I am a Catholic, who professes firmly that this Church belongs to Christ. I do believe in freedom of religion, and saying that non-Catholics shouldn’t be here is the exact reverse of what the colonists did to us in the old days of the U.S. I DON’T, however, believe that bishops are infallible when it comes to border security.)

That being said, I believe that a country has a right to border security, but only insomuch as they are needed for true security. I don’t believe that a country should arbitraily regulate immigration except to identify those who shouldn’t be here—terrorists, etc. This is where legal immigration comes in----to prevent those who should not be here (or for that matter, anywhere) from being here. That is the only reason I see for regulating the border—old reasons for border regulation notwithstanding.

The modern immigration system needs to be reformed—NOW. If it is truly reformed, there should no longer be any reason for “Refugee” or “Asylum” status, since all those considered safe to enter would be allowed. I think the border fence is a big fat waste of money.

Migrants, for their part, need to study our language (or the one where they want to live). This is very important—they need to communicate with those who they purchase goods and services from, and they also might need to communicate with emergency personel. They also need to use U.S. money on U.S. soil—if someone buys goods from me with Mexican pesos (or EU euros), I can’t do anything with it, since people may or may not sell me anything. And as the pope stressed, they need to follow the ways of the country they live in insomuch as it does not conflict with divine law.

 

[Ituyu]

Nope… we would be rewarding them for bad behavior… thus opening the door for other illegals to just come over and wait for amnesty.

It’s bad behavior to work? What about our behavior in deciding to deny them “legal” entry in contradiction of our own interests? No, to legalize the qualified simply puts us where we should have been in the first place.

Furthermore, they don’t come here to “wait for amnesty” they come here for jobs and for a better life which is no different from what immigrants have always done.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

As long as they are catholic?!

i love catholics. i wish there were more of them here. we need to take over this country and make catholicism the offical religion of the state with Jesus our king. i want to see lincoln’s memorial replaced by one of the Blessed Virgin Mary. while there should be religious freedom, the state should recognize catholicism as being superior to the others. i want all public education to be run by sisters and brothers. i want to see the president pray the rosary with the whole country once a week on the radio. i want to see Christ publically recognized as our king.

 

[Jeffrey]

Its bad behaviour to break the law to get here.

It’s bad behavior to work? What about our behavior in deciding to deny them “legal” entry in contradiction of our own interests? No, to legalize the qualified simply puts us where we should have been in the first place.

Furthermore, they don’t come here to “wait for amnesty” they come here for jobs and for a better life which is no different from what immigrants have always done.

 

[Ituyu]

Its bad behaviour to break the law to get here.

It’s worse not to have a good reason to make something “illegal” and still worse when we’re willing to hurt ourselves to do it. But, I think we’re big enough as a nation to reform and I think the last election will help make it possible.

 

[Jeffrey]

We’re hurting ourselves by leaving the border pourous… any of our borders. Need to lock’em down until we straighten out this mess.

It’s worse not to have a good reason to make something “illegal” and still worse when we’re willing to hurt ourselves to do it. But, I think we’re big enough as a nation to reform and I think the last election will help make it possible.

 

[Ituyu]

We’re hurting ourselves by leaving the border pourous… any of our borders. Need to lock’em down until we straighten out this mess.

We’ve been increasing border security and building fences since the late 80’s and we haven’t made any progess because that sort of thinking does not work. We’re fighting a problem that does not exist. Immigrants coming to take the jobs that we need them to do are a part of the solution not the problem. We’re actually helping the human and drug traffic trades by directing more people unnecessarily over our southern border. We’ve already wasted billions on something like this 700 mile fence. Even Homeland Security didn’t think it was a good idea. We need common sense approaches and that dictates that we allow sufficient “legal” immigration to fill the void in the labor market and unfortunately for those on your side that means more “legal” immigration. We already have people who will meet our requirements who make their home here and contribute to our economy. Why should we waste that resource?

 

[Jeffrey]

The fact that millions of unwanted ILLEGAL immigrants keep comming over the borders… is an enourmous problem. And we need to deport them… and keep them out.

We’ve been increasing border security and building fences since the late 80’s and we haven’t made any progess because that sort of thinking does not work. We’re fighting a problem that does not exist. Immigrants coming to take the jobs that we need them to do are a part of the solution not the problem. We’re actually helping the human and drug traffic trades by directing more people unnecessarily over our southern border. We’ve already wasted billions on something like this 700 mile fence. Even Homeland Security didn’t think it was a good idea. We need common sense approaches and that dictates that we allow sufficient “legal” immigration to fill the void in the labor market and unfortunately for those on your side that means more “legal” immigration. We already have people who will meet our requirements who make their home here and contribute to our economy. Why should we waste that resource?

 

[Ituyu]

The fact that millions of unwanted ILLEGAL immigrants keep comming over the borders… is an enourmous problem. And we need to deport them… and keep them out.

Why is it that people coming here to fill jobs that we need them to do is an “enormous problem”? Sounds like the policy is more the problem, no?

 

[Jeffrey]

Becuase they came here illegally. Thats an enormous problem.

Why is it that people coming here to fill jobs that we need them to do is an “enormous problem”? Sounds like the policy is more the problem, no?

 

[Lonevoice]

For Crying out loud!!

Even Christ Himself said to follow the law established by the government. “Render unto Caesar…, etc.” Remember?

That doesn’t meant that one can’t work to CHANGE the law, but it does mean that one must obey the Law.

maybe it’s just me, but, Geez, this whole selective memory thing you illegal supporters have just amazes me.

Just my .02…

 

[Ituyu]

For Crying out loud!!

Even Christ Himself said to follow the law established by the government. “Render unto Caesar…, etc.” Remember?

 

[pnewton]

Because, I’m speaking in terms of survival.

 

[Ituyu]

Ituyu;1829791:

That would be a valid reason. If they or their family’s life was at stake. What I do not know is whether this is true. I have heard nothing about is that all those who decide to stay in Mexico are dying off.

There have been numerous occassions of drought and famine in Mexico, usually occuring among the indigenous. But, more often it’s poverty and lack of jobs where many people live without a roof over their head or are unable to afford a healthful diet even if they are working. Thus, survival is not limited to a definition of barely sustaining life.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

pnewton;1836414:

There have been numerous occassions of drought and famine in Mexico, usually occuring among the indigenous. But, more often it’s poverty and lack of jobs where many people live without a roof over their head or are unable to afford a healthful diet even if they are working. Thus, survival is not limited to a definition of barely sustaining life.

Are we supposed to open our country to everyone on this earth? Where does it stop and where does it end? What about those suffering in Darfur? I am sorry and I don’t want to sound heartless, because I am not, but that does not give the right to anyone to enter this country illegally. It is like your neighbor eyeing what you have and they may not have alot and thereby breaking into your home and making it theirs’.

:heart:Blyss