Pope name is Francisco

[Amorlinda]

I won’t like somebody change my name.
I think is unrespectful translate the Pope name.
You do not translate the Presidents name
He choose Francisco not Francis.

 

[Marie5890]

I won’t like somebody change my name.
I think is unrespectful translate the Pope name.
You do not translate the Presidents name
He choose Francisco not Francis.

The holy father strikes me as a humble man, so I dont see his ego getting in the way of either being called Francisco or Francis or however any other language translates it…

Anymore than I think John Paul II or Benedict XVI or any of the other men would have been or are offended by the normal translation…

Do you call Jesus, Yeshua? Do you think He is offended?

Do you call God the Father, Abba? Do you think He is offended?

 

[Corki]

I won’t like somebody change my name.
I think is unrespectful translate the Pope name.
You do not translate the Presidents name
He choose Francisco not Francis.

Our priest always says “Francisco” during the EP.

 

[ProVobis]

FWIW, his twitter accounts:

Papa Franciscus (in Latin)

Papa Francisco (in Spanish)

Pope Francis (in English)

Papa Francesco (in Italian)

Papież Franciszek (in Polish)

My dad’s name happens to be Francisczek, by the way. Didn’t mind us calling him Frank. My mother called him Felek. My birth certificate is in Polish but I go with the Anglicized name. No problem. I don’t them to struggle with my name.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

I won’t like somebody change my name.
I think is unrespectful translate the Pope name.
You do not translate the Presidents name
He choose Francisco not Francis.

The English-speaking world didn’t refer to Pope Johannes XXIII, nor Pope Giovanni XXIII, nor Pope Paulus or Pope Paolo VI. It would appear to be standard practice to translate the papal name into the local language. On the other hand, a pope’s Baptismal name isn’t normally, as far as I can remember, translated, thus Angelo Roncalli (not “Angel,”) and Eugenio Pacelli (not “Eugene”), and Karol Wojtyla, (not Charles).

 

[twf]

The English-speaking world didn’t refer to Pope Johannes XXIII, nor Pope Giovanni XXIII, nor Pope Paulus or Pope Paolo VI. It would appear to be standard practice to translate the papal name into the local language. On the other hand, a pope’s Baptismal name isn’t normally, as far as I can remember, translated, thus Angelo Roncalli (not “Angel,”) and Eugenio Pacelli (not “Eugene”), and Karol Wojtyla, (not Charles).

We don’t translate their baptismal names as these are their personal, individual names…and in general personal names are not translated. When Jose moves from Mexico to the US, he doesn’t change his name to Joseph…he is still Jose. On the other hand, when the Pope adopts his papal name he is associating that new name with the office of the papacy which he now holds…it is more than just his personal name. Typically it is also a saintly name and the names of the saints have been adopted according to local usage. The Holy Father chose the name “Francis” after St. Francis, thus in English it is appropriate to use the name by which we know the saint.

 

[tawny]

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FWIW, his twitter accounts:

Papa Franciscus (in Latin)

Papa Francisco (in Spanish)

Pope Francis (in English)

Papa Francesco (in Italian)

Papież Franciszek (in Polish)

My dad’s name happens to be Francisczek, by the way. Didn’t mind us calling him Frank. My mother called him Felek. My birth certificate is in Polish but I go with the Anglicized name. No problem. I don’t them to struggle with my name.

 

[Amorlinda]

The holy father strikes me as a humble man, so I dont see his ego getting in the way of either being called Francisco or Francis or however any other language translates it…

Anymore than I think John Paul II or Benedict XVI or any of the other men would have been or are offended by the normal translation…

Do you call Jesus, Yeshua? Do you think He is offended?

Do you call God the Father, Abba? Do you think He is offended?

 

[RPRPsych]

The holy father strikes me as a humble man, so I dont see his ego getting in the way of either being called Francisco or Francis or however any other language translates it…

Quite so.

Anymore than I think John Paul II or Benedict XVI or any of the other men would have been or are offended by the normal translation…

Exactly!

Do you call Jesus, Yeshua? Do you think He is offended?

Or Yehoshua, if we’re going to be purists.

Do you call God the Father, Abba? Do you think He is offended?

Great post.

 

[lifeisbeautiful]

I remember when they announced it, I remember hearing them call him Franciscum… and when he talked about how/why he selected his name, he said it in Italian, “Some people wanted to know why the Bishop of Rome wished to be called Francis.” (and he says Francesco… here is the video, you can see it at time 15:30 of the video on demand): radiovaticana.va/player/index_fb.asp?language=it&tic=VA_HGWO2CQF

Anyways, I think it is customary and acceptable for each country to call him by his name in their language. Our Church is universal, our pope is universal .

ETA: Here is the text from when they first announced him:

Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum;
habemus Papam:

Eminentissimum ac Reverendissimum Dominum,
Dominum Georgium Marium
Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinalem Bergoglio
qui sibi nomen imposuit Franciscum
vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/elezione/index_en.htm

 

[Amorlinda]

I won’t like somebody change my name.
I think is unrespectful translate the Pope name.
You do not translate the Presidents name
He choose Francisco not Francis.

Is not that He is offended or not is not the point .
Is respect.
Why do not translate every president name, out of respect.
Nobody respect anybody anymore?
And… Yes I am translating to you so, you understand me, but in my country
We call Jesus by His birth name!! .
I came to the USA to teach a seminar, I love everybody is very friendly but this forum,
I hope you are very youth and you grow out kindly.
Love Bliss Abundance witn The Lord

 

[Walking_Home]

Is not that He is offended or not is not the point .
Is respect.
Why do not translate every president name, out of respect.
Nobody respect anybody anymore?
And… Yes I am translating to you so, you understand me, but in my country
We call Jesus by His birth name!! .
I came to the USA to teach a seminar, I love everybody is very friendly but this forum,
I hope you are very youth and you grow out kindly.
Love Bliss Abundance witn The Lord

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I do not believe anyone at this forum has been unfriendly to you – but have been trying to be helpful.

 

[Marie5890]

Is not that He is offended or not is not the point .
Is respect.
Why do not translate every president name, out of respect.
Nobody respect anybody anymore?
And… Yes I am translating to you so, you understand me, but in my country
We call Jesus by His birth name!! .e Lord

But Jesus birth name is not Jesus.

It’s Yeshua or Yehushua (?)

His native tongue was Hebrew/Aramaic.

I think the replies you have gotten well explain why there is no disrespect involved esp since the Holy See itself puts out the various translation.

If the Holy See does it, there is no reason to think it is disrespectful.

 

[Ms_Manners]

In my language:

John Paul II

Ivan Pavao II

Benedict XVI

Benedikt XVI

Jesus

Isus

And Pope Francisco/Francis is Papa Franjo.

Since saints’ names are in our own language, and Pope’s name is a saint’s name, we usually use the local version.
Most saints’ names aren’t originally English, you’d have to learn them all over again if you wanted to use originals for every name.

 

[Corki]

Is not that He is offended or not is not the point .
Is respect.
Why do not translate every president name, out of respect.
Nobody respect anybody anymore?
And… Yes I am translating to you so, you understand me, but in my country
We call Jesus by His birth name!! .
I came to the USA to teach a seminar, I love everybody is very friendly but this forum,
I hope you are very youth and you grow out kindly.
Love Bliss Abundance witn The Lord

That’s fine but then the Pope’s name is Francisus. That is the name he took in the conclave. Francisco is a translation just as much as Francis is.

 

[Gia_B]

I won’t like somebody change my name.
I think is disrespectful translate the Pope name.
You do not translate the Presidents name
He choose Francisco not Francis.

I would like to point out that when Pope Francis was first elected and the subsequent announcements were being made from the balcony, the name given was not Francisco. It was Francesco. If we’re going to insist on not translating names, then why have you translated it from Francesco to Francisco?

 

[EasterJoy]

Regnal names are usually translated, as everyone at the conclave knew when the Pope took his name: Papa Franciscus in Latin, Papa Francesco in Italian, Papa Francisco in Spanish (his own native language) and Portugese, Papst Franziskus in German, Pape François in French, and Pope Francis in English, to name a few.

Go to the Vatican’s own web site; it is easily seen that the Pope intends for his name to be translated into all of the different vernacular languages of the faithful, just as is the case with the names of the saints, the liturgy of the Church and her important documents, not to mention the Holy Scriptures, including the Holy Name. Surely this is nothing that worries our Holy Father in the least, but is rather according to his desire to be known by the same name as his namesake, St. Francis, has come to be known in each language. I am entirely sure he would have it no other way!!

 

[DaveBj]

I remember when they announced it, I remember hearing them call him Franciscum… and when he talked about how/why he selected his name, he said it in Italian, “Some people wanted to know why the Bishop of Rome wished to be called Francis.” (and he says Francesco… here is the video, you can see it at time 15:30 of the video on demand): radiovaticana.va/player/index_fb.asp?language=it&tic=VA_HGWO2CQF

Anyways, I think it is customary and acceptable for each country to call him by his name in their language. Our Church is universal, our pope is universal .

ETA: Here is the text from when they first announced him:

Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum;
habemus Papam:

Eminentissimum ac Reverendissimum Dominum,
Dominum Georgium Marium
Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinalem Bergoglio
qui sibi nomen imposuit Franciscum
vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/elezione/index_en.htm

Just as a point of grammar, the reason why the form of his name in the Latin announcement was “Franciscum” is because it was in the accusative case, object of the verb “imposuit.”

Back to the OP’s cavil, names change with the target language. I didn’t know how to correctly pronounce my own last name until I was in my 30s. The change from Franciscus to Francis isn’t something that the Pope gives a hoot about, and therefore it’s not something about which we should be getting our knickers in a twist. There are far more important issues in the world.