Pope names new cardinals, including a former papal nuncio to PHL

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O_Duirnin said:
In Scotland, the sole Red Hat awarded to our nation since the Reformation seems to have alternated between our two Archepiscopal sees - respectively, it has been held by Cardinal Gray of Edinburgh & St Andrews, then Cardinal Winning of Glasgow, and is now once more in Edinburgh with Cardinal O’Brien. Whether this will continue remains to be seen.
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It appears to be the same in Ireland, with the red hat alternating between the Archbishops of Armagh and Dublin.
 
But Vico, the Pope is the Pope because he is the Bishop of Rome. There can not be a Pope who is not the Bishop of Rome. So therefore the diocese of Rome should be a top priority. Further, the Cardinalate originated as the deacons of the Church of Rome who got together to elect the Bishop of their city. So by making the heads of Eastern Churches cardinals, it is placing them in a subordinate role within the diocese of Rome. If Rome wants to grant Eastern leaders a say in electing the Pope, then he should simply change the rule to say all Eastern Patriarchs and Major Archbishops have the privilege to elect the Pope by nature of their office (even though I still beleive that would be a confusion of the Patriarchates but that would at least make a little more sense then the current practice).
 
Formosus said:
If Rome wants to grant Eastern leaders a say in electing the Pope, then he should simply change the rule to say all Eastern Patriarchs and Major Archbishops have the privilege to elect the Pope by nature of their office (even though I still beleive that would be a confusion of the Patriarchates but that would at least make a little more sense then the current practice).
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Is it better to not have a vote, not only for the Papacy but also in matters that directly impact the Eastern Catholic Churches?

And yes, the Cardinalate originated differently than the one we know today. Perhaps the one we see in the future will be different as well.

As a fellow Eastern Catholic, I can appreciate and respect what you are trying to say. Yet a practice of inclusion within the current constructs of the Catholic Church of which we are an integral part seems far better than being positioned as an insignificant minority with no say at all.

Doors are now open, and the manner in which the Apostolic Churches may ultimately find basis for reunion will certainly change the current landscape. We pray that we may, as Christ prayed, “be as one”, finding the path to true reconciliation with the Orthodox.
 
Formosus said:
But Vico, the Pope is the Pope because he is the Bishop of Rome. There can not be a Pope who is not the Bishop of Rome. So therefore the diocese of Rome should be a top priority. Further, the Cardinalate originated as the deacons of the Church of Rome who got together to elect the Bishop of their city. So by making the heads of Eastern Churches cardinals, it is placing them in a subordinate role within the diocese of Rome. If Rome wants to grant Eastern leaders a say in electing the Pope, then he should simply change the rule to say all Eastern Patriarchs and Major Archbishops have the privilege to elect the Pope by nature of their office (even though I still beleive that would be a confusion of the Patriarchates but that would at least make a little more sense then the current practice).
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The Roman Curia (of which the COC is a part) which assists the Bishop of Rome, is a top priority, so I am not sure what you mean there.

The bishops are all in communion with one another. Eastern cardinals are not subordinate and cardinals have no governance except a limited amount when there is no pope. It is a seat in the college of cardinals (established ~ 1059 A.D.). They advise the Pope. There is an order of precedence for ceremony however: Cardinal-dean, Cardinal-vice-dean, cardinal-bishop, cardinal-patriarch, cardinal-priest, cardinal-deacon. Ordered in each category by seniority by date of appointment.
 
Vico said:
The Roman Curia (of which the COC is a part) which assists the Bishop of Rome, is a top priority, so I am not sure what you mean there.

The bishops are all in communion with one another. Eastern cardinals are not subordinate and cardinals have no governance except a limited amount when there is no pope. It is a seat in the college of cardinals (established ~ 1059 A.D.). They advise the Pope. There is an order of precedence for ceremony however: Cardinal-dean, Cardinal-vice-dean, cardinal-bishop, cardinal-patriarch, cardinal-priest, cardinal-deacon. Ordered in each category by seniority by date of appointment.
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I think Formosus is concerned about the possibility of an Eastern Catholic cardinal (who may also be a metropolitan or patriarch) becoming the Pope (or the Bishop of Rome). This Pope would then have responsibility both for the Church of Rome and his native Church.
 
Formosus said:
Why should an Eastern Catholic be the bishop of Rome or the Parriarch of the West? The Pope’s first role is to his diocese, then to his patriarchate, then to the Universal Church. A Roman should head the Roman Church (and yes I am aware of historical examples of Greek and Syrian popes).
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Because it is the Holy Spirit which guides the Church in selecting a Pope, and the Holy Spirit blows where it wills.
 
TarkanAttila said:
I think Formosus is concerned about the possibility of an Eastern Catholic cardinal (who may also be a metropolitan or patriarch) becoming the Pope (or the Bishop of Rome). This Pope would then have responsibility both for the Church of Rome and his native Church.
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I would expect that, like any other bishop elected Pope, he would give up his current post and be Pope full time.
 
TarkanAttila said:
I think Formosus is concerned about the possibility of an Eastern Catholic cardinal (who may also be a metropolitan or patriarch) becoming the Pope (or the Bishop of Rome). This Pope would then have responsibility both for the Church of Rome and his native Church.
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Thank you, it makes sense now. It is true that the bishop only has one proper eparchy/diocese.
 
Joe_Kelley said:
I would expect that, like any other bishop elected Pope, he would give up his current post and be Pope full time.
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Exactly. Benedict XVI did not retain his headship of the CDF or any other of his bishoprics or other posts upon becoming Pope. So if the head of one of the Eastern Catholic churches was elected to the Papacy, he would resign his previous office and a new head would be chosen for that church.
 
TarkanAttila said:
I think Formosus is concerned about the possibility of an Eastern Catholic cardinal (who may also be a metropolitan or patriarch) becoming the Pope (or the Bishop of Rome). This Pope would then have responsibility both for the Church of Rome and his native Church.
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We should have such problems! :confused:
 
Joe_Kelley said:
I would expect that, like any other bishop elected Pope, he would give up his current post and be Pope full time.
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MMMM… sounds about right. It’s like being transferred to a different parish… except you get a promotion, too.
 
BVT said:
Pope Benedict XVI places a red biretta, a four-cornered hat, on the head of new Cardinal George Alencherry of India during a Consistory ceremony in Saint Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican February 18, 2012. Pope Benedict XVI installed 22 new Catholic cardinals from around the world on Saturday.
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This particular photo unfortunately did not fully capture the unique character of the biretta bestowed upon George Cardinal Alencherry.

This is a slightly better shot:

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/site...l/article-images/george1.jpg.crop_display.jpg
 
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