Pope, Orthodox Patriarch join in prayer

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Pope, Orthodox Patriarch join in prayer

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=57058

What would happen if the Catholic Church and Orthodox Church were to reconcile? What it put pressure on the Protestants to reconcile as well?

Scott
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I for one could not in good conscience remain outside the Roman Communion if a significant portion of the Orthodox Church (including at least one of the traditional Eastern Patriarchs, as a minimal definition) were to reconcile with it.

Edwin
 
Edwin:

Thanks for your honesty. Can I ask you a blunt question?

Scott
 
It’d be nice if it happened but as of right now, it seems both sides are equally entrenched.

The (Roman) Catholic Church would need to ease up on their scholastic propensity towards wanting to count the number of angels that could dance on the head of a pin, and at least leave enough ambiguity for some conflicting aspects of Orthodox theology.

The Orthodox Churches would have to humble themselves and acknowledge the authority of Rome- which, I would think would not be such a problem if the Catholic Church would do their part. In theory that is, I’m sure the personal and national egos of the Orthodox Churches would get in the way of that.
 
It does seem far off, but something nice to think about.

Still, we have seen some amazing things. Just imagine, the Pope visiting Hagia Sophia!

And the Orthodox Patriarch praying with the Pope!

These are all good things.

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Scott
 
mschrank said:
The Orthodox Churches would have to humble themselves and acknowledge the authority of Rome- which, I would think would not be such a problem if the Catholic Church would do their part. In theory that is, I’m sure the personal and national egos of the Orthodox Churches would get in the way of that.
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One might just as well say:
“The Latin and Eastern Catholic Churches would have to humble themselves and acknowledge the autocephaly and independence of the Orthodox which, I would think would not be such a problem if the Orthodox Church would do their part. In theory that is, I’m sure the personal egos and triumphalism of the Catholic Churches would get in the way of that.”

Now, are you offended by such language?

Pax et Bonum,
Michael
 
You didn’t ask, but I’ll answer. I’m sure egos and personalities are involved, just as they were at the original break.

But I think we have to ask ourselves one question. Did the Lord intend for there to be one Church?

Scott
 
scott1228 said:
You didn’t ask, but I’ll answer. I’m sure egos and personalities are involved, just as they were at the original break.

But I think we have to ask ourselves one question. Did the Lord intend for there to be one Church?

Scott
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One TRUE Church.
 
Hesychios said:
One might just as well say:
“The Latin and Eastern Catholic Churches would have to humble themselves and acknowledge the autocephaly and independence of the Orthodox which, I would think would not be such a problem if the Orthodox Church would do their part. In theory that is, I’m sure the personal egos and triumphalism of the Catholic Churches would get in the way of that.”

Now, are you offended by such language?

Pax et Bonum,
Michael
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Not really. :confused:
 
Hesychios said:
One might just as well say:
“The Latin and Eastern Catholic Churches would have to humble themselves and acknowledge the autocephaly and independence of the Orthodox which, I would think would not be such a problem if the Orthodox Church would do their part. In theory that is, I’m sure the personal egos and triumphalism of the Catholic Churches would get in the way of that.”

Now, are you offended by such language?

Pax et Bonum,
Michael
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NO I do not find it offensive at all. It shows from what side of the fence you stand on. It is neither more or less valid than the one you replied to. Unless you meant it to be offensive. This is a argument that has been going on for what 900 years or so. It is time for it to end. This back an forth bickering that goes on every time a thread is started about talks between Rome and Orthodox bishops does nothing but build resentments. Instead of looking for ways to be offended over every little statement or continued rehashing of your church must do this first we should all be praying for the Pope and the Other bishops to be lead by the Holy Spirit and reunion takes place. That the laity except this what our Bishops work out. I for one will follow The Holy Catholic Church as guided by the Holy Spirit through the Pope and Bishops I pray the those of Holy Orthodox would also follow their Bishops as well and not place predisposed to more of the same old same old.

I mean do not mean to offend anyone with these statements and if I have I offer my apology.
 
mschrank said:
IThe (Roman) Catholic Church would need to ease up on their scholastic propensity towards wanting to count the number of angels that could dance on the head of a pin
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Is this a metaphor for a specific issue?
 
I see the most upset about such ecumenism from ex-catholics who fled to orthodoxy…

Most Catholics I know find each and every instance a sign of hope.
 
MarcoPolo said:
Is this a metaphor for a specific issue?
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No it’s a phrase often used to lampoon medieval scholastic theology. Whether or not it was ever actually pondered isn’t clear.

Here’s a link to a wikipedia article.

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
Let’s not put the cart before the horse.

The If the two churches reconcile is a big if.

And the reality is that different Protestant denominations will react to it in different ways.
 
I agree with the poster that said it would be best if we just accept what our leaders of both Churches say. And PRAY PRAY PRAY!!! Personally, I would do whatever the pope says because I do firmly believe that the HS guides the conclave when selecting the successor… and I would embrace it joyfully when it happens…hopefully during my lifetime.
 
It’s nice to see that the two are praying together. Even if reunion seems a long way off, it’s nice to see that the two sides are moving towards an understanding and a certain level of cooperation.
 
scott1228 said:
Pope, Orthodox Patriarch join in prayer

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=57058

What would happen if the Catholic Church and Orthodox Church were to reconcile? What it put pressure on the Protestants to reconcile as well?

Scott
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Scott,
Yeah. I’d have to agree with Contarini. That would have a great influence on me. Lutherans are already in serious dialogue with Rome on a lot of issues, and I think this would up the emphasis, even on reluctant Lutherans like Missouri.
 
scott1228 said:
Pope, Orthodox Patriarch join in prayer

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=57058

What would happen if the Catholic Church and Orthodox Church were to reconcile? What it put pressure on the Protestants to reconcile as well?

Scott
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I doubt it. The reasons for the schism between the Orthodox and the RCC is unrelated to the reasons for the Reformation. The earlier split was largely a power struggle, though of course it had and/or developed theological overtones. The Reformation was first-and-foremost a theological parting of ways, though of course political power struggles played a part in sustaining the reforming impulse. Moreover: most Protestants, to the extent that they know anything about Eastern Orthodoxy at all, already think of it as no better than Roman Catholicism–and in many ways much worse.

A unification of the Eastern and Western Churches, if it happened, MIGHT accelerate the rate of individual Protestants, as is already happening. (These conversions have become so numerous among certain leading Protestant intellectuals that even the Christian Research Journal has expressed concern about the trend). But Protestant denominations would mostly remain unaffected. To reunify Protestants will mainly be a long hard slog of persuading people one-by-one.
 
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