Pope Paul VI a saint?

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I’m wondering, when the Archbishop of Washington in 1970 wanted to excommunicate the 19 priests protesting humanae vitae why did Paul VI stop the Archbishop from doing it? I think that gave people the impression that the Church’s teachings are debatable. And hence the scandal that followed after that. What do you think?
 
I think you better post a link to a reliable source for the full story, which is somewhat different than your digest of the story. I also think the title of your thread should relate more closely to the content of your post.
 
I think you better post a link to a reliable source for the full story, which is somewhat different than your digest of the story. I also think the title of your thread should relate more closely to the content of your post.
George Weigel talked about it.

Courage to be Catholic pp. 67-70

“But the explosion of bureaucracy in the Church after Vatican II, and dramatic changes in the way bishops understood their office, made it ever more difficult to maintain doctrinal cohesion and eccliastical discipline – problems exacerbated by what often seemed to be uncertain papal leadership during the fifteen - year pontificate of Pope Paul VI. And so it was that, when the sexual revolution hit the Catholic Church with the force of a hurricane, the Church was intellectually, organizationally, and spiritually ill-prepared for the blow”.
“The results are now obvious, in the crisis of clergy sexual abuse and its magnification by incompetent or malfeasant episcopal leadership. “The Sixties” did not “cause” the crisis, which is primarily the Church’s responsibility. In the late 1960’s, however, a culture of dissent took root in the Catholic Church in the United States, unmistakably influenced by the spirit of the times. In that culture of dissent, “fidelity” too on a new meaning – or, perhaps better, “fidelity” lost its true, ecclesial meaning. At precisely the same time, the crisis of clergy sexual abuse gathered such critical mass that it spilled over into the next two decades. The timing was not accidental. Neither was the relationship between clergy sexual abuse and the culture of dissent.”

The “Truce of 1968”

“Public dissent from Humanae Vitae began even before the official text of the encyclical was made available. It was led, not by dissapointed laity, but by priests, religious, and theologians, some of them men and women of considerable influence. One focal point of the dissent was the Archdiocese of Washington. Priests of the archdiocese joined the public dissent against the encyclical (which was intense at the Washington-based Catholic University of America) and, after several warnings, nineteen Washington priests were disciplined by the local archbishop, Cardinal Patrick O’ Boyle; the penalties imposed by Cardinal O’ Boyle varied from priests to priest, but included suspension from the active ministry in several cases. The priests involved took their case to public and appealed to the authorities in Rome.”

“In April 1971, the Vatican’s Congregation for the Clergy issued a document on ‘The Washington Case’, which drastically minimized the nature of the dissent involved and ‘urgently’ recommended that Cardinal O’ Boyle lift the sanctions against those Washington priests who would agree to the ‘findings’ of the Congregation’s report. Those findings did not include earlier the obligation to repudiate previous dissent or the obligation to make an explicit affirmation of the moral truths taught by Humanae Vitae. O’Boyle removed the sanctions he had imposed on those among the original nineteen who still remained priests ( a number had abandoned their ministry in the interim three years).”

“According to the recollections of some who were present, every one involved understood that Pope Paul VI wanted the ‘Washington Case’ settled without a public retraction from the dissidents, because the Pope feared that insisting on such retraction would lead to schism – a formal split in the church of Washington, and perhaps beyond. The Pope, evidently, was willing for a time to tolerate dissent on an issue on which he made a solemn, authoritative statement, hoping that the day would come when, in a calmer cultural and ecclesiastical atmosphere, the truth of that teaching could be appreciated. The mechanism agreed upon to time for that to happen was the ‘Truce of 1968’”.

“THEOLOGIANS, PRIESTS, AND NUNS WHO PUBLICLY DISSENTED FROM HUMANAE VITAE – WHO SAID THAT THE CHURCH’S TEACHING ABOUT THE MORALLY APPROPRIATE WAY TO REGULATE BIRTHS WAS FALSE --WERE ENCOURAGED BY THE TRUCE OF 1968 TO CONTINUE, EVEN AMPLIFLY, THEIR DISSENT.”

The culture of dissent in the Church was BORN!
 
I’m wondering, when the Archbishop of Washington in 1970 wanted to excommunicate the 19 priests protesting humanae vitae why did Paul VI stop the Archbishop from doing it? I think that gave people the impression that the Church’s teachings are debatable. And hence the scandal that followed after that. What do you think?

1. His cause for canonisation is quite far advanced - enough for him to be correctly referred to as Venerable Paul VI​

2. To answer the q. in the post: perhaps because he was always very concerned to preserve the unity of the Church: especially amidst the confusions & instability & discontents that followed the Council. This concern for unity appears to be a valuable clue to understanding a good deal of his activity as Pope. He was not unaware of the existence of all sorts of scandals: & he did not want to risk making matters even worse. IMHO, he was certain to be in the wrong whatever he did. 😦 ISTM that one of his difficulties was that he had to compete with John XXIII - or rather, with the popular idea of him. I think he has been much maligned 😦 😦

3. So - far from being a mark against him, it could well be that his reluctance to excommunicate Catholics, & the care for the unity of the Church which this implies, favour his being canonised. 🙂 This patience is surely what a Christian bishop - most of all one in his position - should show. ##
 

1. His cause for canonisation is quite far advanced - enough for him to be correctly referred to as Venerable Paul VI​

2. To answer the q. in the post: perhaps because he was always very concerned to preserve the unity of the Church: especially amidst the confusions & instability & discontents that followed the Council. This concern for unity appears to be a valuable clue to understanding a good deal of his activity as Pope. He was not unaware of the existence of all sorts of scandals: & he did not want to risk making matters even worse. IMHO, he was certain to be in the wrong whatever he did. 😦 ISTM that one of his difficulties was that he had to compete with John XXIII - or rather, with the popular idea of him. I think he has been much maligned 😦 😦

3. So - far from being a mark against him, it could well be that his reluctance to excommunicate Catholics, & the care for the unity of the Church which this implies, favour his being canonised. 🙂 This patience is surely what a Christian bishop - most of all one in his position - should show. ##
I think Paul VI was ok. There were times when he was definitely not the Pope.
 

1. His cause for canonisation is quite far advanced - enough for him to be correctly referred to as Venerable Paul VI​

2. To answer the q. in the post: perhaps because he was always very concerned to preserve the unity of the Church: especially amidst the confusions & instability & discontents that followed the Council. This concern for unity appears to be a valuable clue to understanding a good deal of his activity as Pope. He was not unaware of the existence of all sorts of scandals: & he did not want to risk making matters even worse. IMHO, he was certain to be in the wrong whatever he did. 😦 ISTM that one of his difficulties was that he had to compete with John XXIII - or rather, with the popular idea of him. I think he has been much maligned 😦 😦

3. So - far from being a mark against him, it could well be that his reluctance to excommunicate Catholics, & the care for the unity of the Church which this implies, favour his being canonised. 🙂 This patience is surely what a Christian bishop - most of all one in his position - should show. ##
Unfortunately Pope Paul VI’s treatment of Cardinal Mindszenty was one of the most shameful episodes in his papacy. Mindszenty became an embarrasment to the pursuit of Ostpolitik with the Communists in Hungary via Cardinal Casaroli and approved by the Pope.Josef Cardinal Mindszenty left Hungary for the Vatican on September 29, 1971.
The Pope received him with great honour and assured him: “You are and remain Archbishop of Esztergom and primate of Hungary. Continue working, and if you have difficulties, always turn trustfully to us.”
Later Josef Cardinal Mindszenty set up office in Vienna.
Josef Cardinal Mindszenty asked the Holy See to make it possible for him to care for Hungarian Catholics in foreign countries and to appoint suffragan bishops for them. His requests were not granted. After settling in Vienna, Cardinal Mindszenty had to endure another humiliation when, on February 5, 1974, in an effort to improve church relations with Hungary, Pope Paul VI removed him as primate of Hungary and announced his removal from the See of Esztergom. This was a time when martyrs were being sacrificed to diplomatic expediency. The shameful affair can be read about in Cardinal Mindzenty’s Memoirs the last line of which reads: “This is the path I traveled to the end, and this is how I arrived at complete and total exile.” Cardinal Mindszenty was a living witness of a saying of Blessed Rupert Mayer S.J. Christ is the center or our lives. There are no compromises.
 
I think Paul VI was ok. There were times when he was definitely not the Pope.
He was always the Pope. :confused:

Pope Paul VI had one of the toughest papacies of any Pope. He suffered spiritually quite a lot–I don’t think any of us can even fathom the burden he bore. The storms of the '60s were difficult times for the pilot of the bark of Peter. He had a ton of difficult decisions to make. Not everything he did worked out as he intended, but those times were very unpredictable–there was so much social upheaval. In the above instance, he tried to be compassionate and patient with people who didn’t understand and it came back to bite him–but that often happens to folks who practice those virtues.

I used to be one to gripe about his papacy, about the decisions he made I didn’t like. But the more I read, the more I see how very much he did have the best interest of souls in mind with every decision he made. And when he saw the storms, dissent, and the troubles of the faithful, it grieved him very, very deeply. It took heroic faith and trust in God for him not to simply collapse into despair.

Should he be canonized? I don’t know, that’s not my call to make. But I can tell you he was always rightfully called the Holy Father.
 
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