Pope recalls Catholics' need for Scripture, love for the Church and unity (CNA)

[Catholic_Press]

Vatican City, Mar 11, 2009 / 10:22 am (CNA).- At today’s general audience in St. Peter’s Square, the Pope focused his remarks on St. Boniface, “apostle of the Germans.” Pope Benedict said that Boniface’s “courageous witness” is an invitation to all to "welcome the Word of God in their lives as an essential point of reference, to love the Church passionately, to feel a joint responsibility for her future and to seek unity around St. Peter’s Successor."http://feeds2.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/8_dJqIRyIHU

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[brianmichael]

Vatican City, Mar 11, 2009 / 10:22 am (CNA).- Pope Benedict said that Boniface’s “courageous witness” is an** invitation to all to "welcome the Word of God in their lives as an essential point of reference**,http://feeds2.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/8_dJqIRyIHU

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it’s the unfortunate reality:
**absolute **trash, i mean, garbage on tv, internet, magazines, mouies (except PG13-rated ninja films) = the point of reference for secular society
just my:twocents:

 

[Steven_John]

Yes,
we should all make scripture a focus to our life so much so we need to place it above tradition.

Men are fallible even pope teachings are fallible.

The spirit will guide your heart and scripture will give you discernment that it is the true spirit of light guiding you.

 

[NHInsider]

Yes,
we should all make scripture a focus to our life so much so we need to place it above tradition.
QUOTE]

Except, of course, that the Holy Scriptures are partof Tradition and without the Traditions handed on by the apostles we would not have the Scripture.

Thi is such a tired argument . . .

 

[Steven_John]

Steven John;4955968:

Yes,
we should all make scripture a focus to our life so much so we need to place it above tradition.
QUOTE]

Except, of course, that the Holy Scriptures are partof Tradition and without the Traditions handed on by the apostles we would not have the Scripture.

Thi is such a tired argument . . .

Nay,
it was not offered as argument for truth is not arguable.

It was offered for humans are fallible.

The statement offered was to differentiate tradition in scripture to tradition not of scripture.

If scripture is the inspired word of God then it must be held above tradition that is not in line with scripture.

The word of God is truth and purifies tradition of men, by allowing it to do so we honour our forbearer’s of faith.

 

[diggerdomer]

NHInsider;4956380:

Nay,
it was not offered as argument for truth is not arguable.

It was offered for humans are fallible.

The statement offered was to differentiate tradition in scripture to tradition not of scripture.

If scripture is the inspired word of God then it must be held above tradition that is not in line with scripture.

The word of God is truth and purifies tradition of men, by allowing it to do so we honour our forbearer’s of faith.

But this is not the Catholic understanding. The Word of God is first and primarily Jesus Christ, who is God.

God’s revelation is complete in Jesus Christ.

God’s revelation is also transmitted to successive generations through BOTH Scripture and Tradition (both of which have human elements, neither of which is above the other).

Cheers

 

[Steven_John]

But this is not the Catholic understanding. The Word of God is first and primarily Jesus Christ,

Amen

God’s revelation is complete in Jesus Christ.

Amen

God’s revelation is also transmitted to successive generations through BOTH Scripture and Tradition (both of which have human elements, neither of which is above the other).

Cheers

Now it gets tricky, this could be seen to contradict the prior statment.
if the revelation is complete in Jesus (pbwh) we will not need more teachings, as we have only one teacher.

As for the human element it can be fallible, the earth could be flat but evidence seems to suggest it is a globe.

The Jesus (pbwh) does not state in the bible it is flat but the Catholic church and others i guess have taught its flatness.

Only men are fallible.

So if you agree men are fallible you could be seen to suggest the scripture could be false. I do see it is not your intention.

Jesus (pbwh) taught in scripture to have a relationship with the Father from my short life i testify before you there is no fault in this.

If one needs to verify the prayer relationship is with the Father and not the darkness for me scripture is the best place as it is accessible to me the pope is not.

If any want to suggest to me the priest is and as a successor in ordination of the of Peter (apostle) i would suggest that is only guaranteed true in good intention.

When i was 12 years old we had a priest ordained that was not in line with scripture but buy intention of ordination was seen to be authority of the church.

I have read and heard stories of popes of old that were not in they way of Jesus (pbwh), but cant testify this to be the truth as i was not witness.

But i can testify prayer and scripture as been the best in my life and at times God has used me to help some priests.

The bible teaches me specifically the words of Jesus (pbwh) we are all brothers. It is not for me to exult a brother above another just be a servant to all.

I have digressed a bit hey, sorry.

The pope has recalled the need for scripture and my prayer is that we respect him, the God willed tradition of the One True Church that can be found in many people.

With prayer, submittence to the Deity of Jesus (pbwh), discerned in scripture together we will purify the traditions of our parents and bring to them honour for Gods goodness in them.

 

[diggerdomer]

pbwh?

 

[Steven_John]

pbwh?

Peace be with him,

He is narrated to have said, I leave you peace my peace i give you.
Thats not an exact quote but is of my memory.

So He had peace and as he is resurrected he must have peace for people of all generations.

 

[diggerdomer]

Peace be with him,

Thank you for the clarification.

The only point I’d follow up on is whether Scripture is false. In terms of geography, or history, or biology, or other human sciences, I’d say yes there’s the potential that Scripture may not be precise or accurate.

Cheers

 

[Steven_John]

Thank you for the clarification.

The only point I’d follow up on is whether Scripture is false. In terms of geography, or history, or biology, or other human sciences, I’d say yes there’s the potential that Scripture may not be precise or accurate.

Cheers

Yes i too have and do consider the same, oft it more the lesson than the historical position.

Thats why prayer is sooooo important to me Jesus (pbwh) taught and exampled it even thought he had access to great scripture.

Scripture is a real treasure trove of understanding who God is and is not, to me and for me and politely even for you i see it as a better guide than tradition.
I respect God can call you to see it different.
If you do you must follow that path.
But i urge you to ask yourself if God of scripture (torah and gospel, mind and action) gave you the path or a man.

In our Catholic parish tradition is very embraced, scripture is not daily important to many and we are an old aged dying community.

In our Pentecostal fellowship we dont have long lived tradition, really share and seek truth from the word and young people attend.

My personal experience is our Catholic community is scared of scripture and feel comfortable with tradition, it is like a comfortable pleasure cruiser for oldies.

My experience of the our Pentecostal fellowship is they want to be a rescue boat for sinners and are willing to be bumped if it will allow the truth.

 

[Church_Militant]

Moslem understanding of this news report seems to be deficient. I suspect Steven will also tell us that the Quran in also scripture inspired of God, something that no faithful Catholic will assent to.

**From the teaching and the prodigious activities of this missionary and martyr, Pope Benedict said, one can draw the message of “the central importance of the Word of God, lived and interpreted in the faith of the Church, which he preached and to which he bore witness even unto the supreme gift of self in martyrdom.” **

Benedict XVI also pointed out that one could draw the message of Boniface’s “faithful communion with the Apostolic See, which was a fixed and central principle of his missionary work."
…

The Holy Father concluded by comparing St. Boniface’s faith with “our own faith, often lukewarm and bureaucratized.” “We have to ask ourselves: how can we renew it so as to ensure the precious gift of the Gospel reaches our own times?"

Let’s be very sure that we are reading what His Holiness is actually saying here.

 

[Kathy_Ostrander]

Yes i too have and do consider the same, oft it more the lesson than the historical position.

Thats why prayer is sooooo important to me Jesus (pbwh) taught and exampled it even thought he had access to great scripture.

Scripture is a real treasure trove of understanding who God is and is not, to me and for me and politely even for you i see it as a better guide than tradition.
I respect God can call you to see it different.
If you do you must follow that path.
But i urge you to ask yourself if God of scripture (torah and gospel, mind and action) gave you the path or a man.

In our Catholic parish tradition is very embraced, scripture is not daily important to many and we are an old aged dying community.

In our Pentecostal fellowship we dont have long lived tradition, really share and seek truth from the word and young people attend.

My personal experience is our Catholic community is scared of scripture and feel comfortable with tradition, it is like a comfortable pleasure cruiser for oldies.

My experience of the our Pentecostal fellowship is they want to be a rescue boat for sinners and are willing to be bumped if it will allow the truth.

How can you be a rescue boat for sinners if you don’t have the tradition of CONFESSION. It is Biblical that Jesus gave us confession to help in our healing process,but most churches don’t follow that tradition even though it is founded in scripture. Kathy Ostrander

 

[Jimmytwoguns]

NHinsider is right about scripture being part of Tradition. The Church gave us Scripture not the other way about. But you can go on about this till the cows come home and people who refuse to accept the plain facts will continue to do so.

NHinsider is also right about this being such a tired argument.

Steven John says "My experience of the our Pentecostal fellowship is they want to be a rescue boat for sinners and are willing to be bumped if it will allow the truth.

Overlooking for the purposes of this post the fact that the sentence makes no grammitical sense, I think we Catholics will continue to stay in the Ark while you, Stevie boy, paddle around in your Pentecostal canoe, bumping into things, most probably other pentecostalists in their own, slightly different canoes, and definitely a whole armada of protestant denominations in their own individual rafts, bathtubs, rowing boats, whaetever, who don’t agree with you, or one another, but hey, that’s protestantism, 'cause it ain’t built on the rock!

Also, the arrogance! Please feel free to keep your patronising platitudes about the Pope, the successor to the prince of the apostles, to yourself

By the way, pbwh? What a load of twaddle! You sound like a moslem, and no, I don’t believe in their religion. At least however, when these misguided people say “peace be upon him”, they are referring to a mere mortal, Mohammed, and not Jesus the Son of the God. We pray for His peace but He doesn’t need us blessing him.At least not according to the Catholic Church, I can’t speak for heretical sects.

God bless,

Jimmy Two Guns

 

[brianmichael]

By the way, pbwh? What a load of twaddle! You sound like a moslem, and no, I don’t believe in their religion. At least however, when these misguided people say “peace be upon him”, they are referring to a mere mortal, Mohammed, and not Jesus the Son of the God. We pray for His peace but He doesn’t need us blessing him.At least not according to the Catholic Church, I can’t speak for heretical sects.

Jimmie2Gunz, don’t patronize the guy, thissiz CatholicAnswersForums not WWESmackdown

Steve, the Pope was probably addressing the RomanCatholics in Germany, his own homeland, which like other european nations have a low Church-attendance rate

 

[Steven_John]

Moslem understanding of this news report seems to be deficient. I suspect Steven will also tell us that the Quran in also scripture inspired of God, something that no faithful Catholic will assent to.Let’s be very sure that we are reading what His Holiness is actually saying here.

Wow how suspicious you are,

I never said anything about Muslims reports?

I suspect you would tell us, The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.

 

[Steven_John]

How can you be a rescue boat for sinners if you don’t have the tradition of CONFESSION. It is Biblical that Jesus gave us confession to help in our healing process,but most churches don’t follow that tradition even though it is founded in scripture. Kathy Ostrander

Hi,
i but offered my experience, i never said i was against tradition of confession, please re-read my post.

The people i spoke of are big on repentance but that was not my point so i never stated it.

Dont know where you are coming from.

 

[Steven_John]

NHinsider is right about scripture being part of Tradition. The Church gave us Scripture not the other way about. But you can go on about this till the cows come home and people who refuse to accept the plain facts will continue to do so.

NHinsider is also right about this being such a tired argument.

Steven John says "My experience of the our Pentecostal fellowship is they want to be a rescue boat for sinners and are willing to be bumped if it will allow the truth.

Overlooking for the purposes of this post the fact that the sentence makes no grammitical sense, I think we Catholics will continue to stay in the Ark while you, Stevie boy, paddle around in your Pentecostal canoe, bumping into things, most probably other pentecostalists in their own, slightly different canoes, and definitely a whole armada of protestant denominations in their own individual rafts, bathtubs, rowing boats, whaetever, who don’t agree with you, or one another, but hey, that’s protestantism, 'cause it ain’t built on the rock!

Also, the arrogance! Please feel free to keep your patronising platitudes about the Pope, the successor to the prince of the apostles, to yourself

By the way, pbwh? What a load of twaddle! You sound like a moslem, and no, I don’t believe in their religion. At least however, when these misguided people say “peace be upon him”, they are referring to a mere mortal, Mohammed, and not Jesus the Son of the God. We pray for His peace but He doesn’t need us blessing him.At least not according to the Catholic Church, I can’t speak for heretical sects.

God bless,

Jimmy Two Guns

“stevie boy” that says so much about you

You have quoted my personal experience

Then descend into some great put me down
you may think your God loves only scholars that make grammatical sense, My God loves us all (yes even uneducated stevie boy) and is your God not the idol you speak of.

Then you become all knowing with your canoe dribble if you know so much about me please answer
How many times per week do i partake in mass?
How many times per week do i pray the rosary?
How many prayer groups do i attend at our parish?
How many ministries of our parish am i involved in?
Does my community view me as a diocesan leader?

Then you wander of on some moslem tangent, not mentioned in my post.

Jesus (pbwh) offered us his peace he is resurrected so offers peace to all through all ages so peace is with him.

If you are not for him i will be against you, not that i want to, despite the way you treat me i love you

 

[Steven_John]

Jimmie2Gunz, don’t patronize the guy, thissiz CatholicAnswersForums not WWESmackdown

Steve, the Pope was probably addressing the RomanCatholics in Germany, his own homeland, which like other european nations have a low Church-attendance rate

Hi, may God bless you for your kindness.
As a previous poster pointed out i am not real bright or educated.

I thought the pope was saying we need scripture if this is true it is my point, my parish is aging fast and will not be what it was unless we seek God. Many partitioner think if we say the hail mary attend stations of the cross fridays in lent we have done our bit.

Scripture gives me life i want to help people come to our church our parish just says thats nice but the young ones just dont want him pray your rosary and lets have a beer!..oh whats the point look at the way people treat me here, i wont give up on God but maybe i should give up on Catholic people i too need to be loved Thank God He does me

May God bless and guide you and yours as youes submit to Him to be in the way of Jesus (pbwh)

 

[Steven_John]

May God forgive me,
in my last post i referred to God as Him but did not capitalisation.

I also should not have said i will give up on the Catholic church and i will not.

It is just that the way some “Catholics” here treat me is not the witness of Jesus (pbwh) i read in scripture. The witness offered is not what i want to be a part of nore does God want me to build it up.

While our parish has almost given up they do not treat me like this. They are loving people tired of trying and now clinging to tradition. Before any one gets started again ask yourself so i attend the same parish?

If your answer is no then whose authority would you speak with?

In no posts have i testified about your parishes,
if they are growing lively communities that is great all praise be to God.
If they are not i dont know why, i am not there, i would offer your treatment of me would not make me want to join you other then to love and help you.

Not a welcoming helpful spirit. To me some of you have acted like jihadis (not the pious ones the satanic ones we see on teli) you set out to slay me.

David (pbuh) slew a giant of old with a rock and strap and did great for the elect people.
It did not kill the spirit/s of darkness the worrier hosted.

Better way same house same enemy

Jesus (pbwh) saved a worrier no man could tame he had the spirits of many with him and all around had given in to fear of him they tried to chain him and had to exile and avoid him.
Jesus (pbwh) met him where he was at and helped him release the spirits the worrier became a free man willing to serve.

Now i do not offer this to speak against David (pbwh) as he was a might man in right relationship with God but it is not the best path to slay ones enemy, it is not a permanent solution.
Now if you profess or aspire to walk in the way of Jesus (pbwh) you will meet your enemy’s where they are at and love them there in doing this God can bring a permanent solution.

But first actually learn who your enemy is, every person has origin from Gods goodness.

Ask yourself honestly if Steven John had a profile that said Catholic would i have treated him the same?
What if Steven John had been considering RCIA what witness did i offer?
Did i make a decision or speculate what his religion is?
We as humans are comfortable if we can box people to our understanding rather than getting to know them.

There is a great story i think and dont quote me from the great apostle Paul that says dont help your mate get the splinter out his eye until you get the log out of your own. Some times i ave a timber mill in my own LOL.

I notice some very anti Muslim attitude in some posts
that is part my experience of Pentecostal church.
Catholics need to lovingly challenge and be challenged by others.

while Catholic tradition is to believe Muslims adore together with Catholics one merciful God some fruit suggests other wise.

But i see this from scripture not tradition.