Pope recalls Catholics' need for Scripture, love for the Church and unity (CNA)

[Jimmytwoguns]

Jimmie2Gunz, don’t patronize the guy, thissiz CatholicAnswersForums not WWESmackdown

Steve, the Pope was probably addressing the RomanCatholics in Germany, his own homeland, which like other european nations have a low Church-attendance rate

Hey Brianmichael, I do think it’s a load of twaddle, and I do think it’s a silly attempt to sound like a moslem, however I agree with your smackdown argument, and assure you, and Steve I meant it in a friendly, fellow christian fashion and forgive me Stevie boy if I sounded belligerent. We are brothers.

Having said that (here he goes) I get bored by ill informed posts from protestants banging on about the Catholic Church following man’s teachings and protestants following scripture alone, when the truth is, Tradition and Scripture come from the Catholic Church which Christ founded, and protestants can’t actually agree on a wide variety of very important doctrines, despite their, or rather because,of their own individual interpretations.

For example, One of my chidren recently sat a Higher Exam ( in Scotland) on religious education. The prescribed textbook for the course stated clearly and officially, that the Presbyterian Church of Scotland (the state church here) now holds that it is not necessary for their members to believe in the Virgin Birth of Christ; it is a personal interpretation up to each individual!

As regards being patronising Brianmichael, as GK Chesterton said " Catholicism necessarily feels for Protestantism not the superiority a man feels over sticks and straws, but that he feels over clippings of his hair and nails. She feels Protestantism not merely as something insufficient, but something that would never have been even that, but for herself", that of course includes the very scriptures protestants claim to rely on.

God bless you and Steve.

Jimmy Two Guns

 

[brianmichael]

Steve,
the lack of charity is a worldwide phenomenon of which everyone is guilty in some way, so hang in there
(btw you can edit yer posts, friend, if you made a mistake)

Jimmy,
No sweat, friend, i was trying to be funnie myself

Loue ya’ll!

 

[Jimmytwoguns]

Stevie Boy, Firstly, I refer to you in this fashion as it is a Scottish way of being affectionate.

              Secondly, I had assumed you were yet another protestant ranting against the Catholic Church and challenging Her reliance on Tradition, Scripture and Her Magesterium to interpret same and in typical fashion for me leapt into the fray feet first.

               Thirdly, you are correct, I have no idea how many masses you attend, rosaries you say, meetings you attend and work fror the Lord you do; but it will very probably be a great deal more than I do these days. Bringing up a family etc, takes up a great deal of time, but that is a poor excuse and I feel my conscience properly pricked by your example, your passion, and your obvious conviction. 

               Fourthly, and most importantly, I had no right to presume as I did, nor put you down, no matter how humorously it was intended. As a result, I stand corrected and apologise genuinely and sincerely for any hurt I caused. I indeed love you to as a brother in Christ and I pray that He will continue to guide you in the faith and help me to attend mass far more often and drag my teenage children (18, 18, 20) along with me.

God bless you and yours Stevie Boy, and you Brianmichael and pray for me a sinner.

A chastened,

Jimmy Two Guns.

 

[Jimmytwoguns]

By the way Stevie that was a genuine apology. I am very, very sorry to have offended you and put you down in any way whatever. Keep the Faith, you are obviously doing God’s work and I will pray the rosary for you, Brainmichael and me tonight. I pray Christ keeps you strong in the Faith and that we all serve Him more and more.

God bless you

Jimmy Two Guns

 

[Steven_John]

Dear Jimmy,
i accept your apology.

It has inspired me, it is a greatness of the spirit that has men reflect and want to do better.
The great apostle Paul must have had it hard in changing his ways, you like him challenge us all to reflect and grow.

Stevie Boy, Firstly, I refer to you in this fashion as it is a Scottish way of being affectionate.

sorry i took the Stevie boy the wrong way. You can call me this way anytime.

Secondly, I had assumed you were yet another protestant ranting against the Catholic Church and challenging Her reliance on Tradition, Scripture and Her Magesterium to interpret same and in typical fashion for me leapt into the fray feet first.

I am un ashamed to tell everyone i challenge everything, the Catholic church, its members, my prody mates the people of “islamic” faith and most often me.

In challenges i understand, correct and grow. I really want to honour my parents and our for beares and must be willing to lovingly and paitnetly change what God inspires to change. I really dont understand blind faith and have to work to respect those with it.

Thirdly, you are correct, I have no idea how many masses you attend, rosaries you say, meetings you attend and work fror the Lord you do; but it will very probably be a great deal more than I do these days. Bringing up a family etc, takes up a great deal of time, but that is a poor excuse and I feel my conscience properly pricked by your example, your passion, and your obvious conviction.

I never meant to have us jump on scales, just tried to illustrate a few posts on the www does not reveal all about each of us.

For me,
i jump on the scales of what God knows i can do and what i do do, I don’t balance as i am a sinner.
I guess I am busier than most my age but i guess i am blessed more to.
Live in a small town, materially i dont want much and don’t have to work as much.
Bringing up a family is Gods work, I pray He bless you for it.

Fourthly, and most importantly, I had no right to presume as I did, nor put you down, no matter how humorously it was intended. As a result, I stand corrected and apologise genuinely and sincerely for any hurt I caused. I indeed love you to as a brother in Christ and I pray that He will continue to guide you in the faith and help me to attend mass far more often and drag my teenage children (18, 18, 20) along with me.

I do my share of presumption too. sorry i missed the humor.
I go to mass lots but dont feel it is the be all and end all of the call Jesus(pbwh) offered.
When i deep in scripture i see a difference between the elect and the righteous, if i understand the word correctly most Christians are to be of the righteous, people who live the law by grace, that is people of action in witness, the ones that call others in their everyday lives, at work etc. While mass and gatherings are important and of value how many times we speak God into the lives of others is what makes change in this world and eternally in our true being.

I would love to get my 20 yo and 13 yo to mass more often with a smile so if you can eva crack that please bottle it and sent it to me.

May God bless you and yours as youes submit unto Him, and i am and will pray for you,
I too am a sinner and in unity as brethren we can build the body whole.

 

[Steven_John]

Steve,
the lack of charity is a worldwide phenomenon of which everyone is guilty in some way, so hang in there
(btw you can edit yer posts, friend, if you made a mistake)

Jimmy,
No sweat, friend, i was trying to be funnie myself

Loue ya’ll!

I sure lack charity in my own dealings with others, when i do it is me that actually misses out.

appreciate your help in the BTW but i was too late to correct, i did not see it till after prayer.

God bless you for the calming voice in this thread, the spirit has has brought calm to our discussions i am sure in part through you.

 

[Bastoune]

If not for the HOLY SPIRIT using fallible men infallibly to write infallible works we wouldn’t have the books of the Bible.

And it was the infallible Holy Spirit using the Magisterial Body of Christ to canonize the books of the Bible – which required SACRED TRADITION as a checkpoint to validate the orthodoxy of what was and was not Scripture:

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/2CANONS.htm

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/INSPIR.htm

And as St. Ireneaus wrote (who learned from Polycarp, a disciple of the Apostle John) :

"Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. For she is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account are we bound to avoid them, but to make choice of the thing pertaining to the Church with the utmost diligence, and to lay hold of the tradition of the truth. For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, **should we not have recourse to the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? **

For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches?

"To which course many nations of those barbarians who believe in Christ do assent, having salvation written in their hearts by the Spirit, without paper or ink, and, carefully preserving the ancient tradition, believing in one God, the Creator of heaven and earth, and all things therein, by means of Christ Jesus, the Son of God; who, because of His surpassing love towards His creation, condescended to be born of the virgin, He Himself uniting man through Himself to God, and having suffered under Pontius Pilate, and rising again, and having been received up in splendour, shall come in glory, the Saviour of those who are saved, and the Judge of those who are judged, and sending into eternal fire those **who transform the truth, and despise His Father and His advent.

Those who, in the absence of written documents, have believed this faith, are barbarians, so far as regards our language; but as regards doctrine, manner, and tenor of life, they are, because of faith, very wise indeed; and they do please God, ordering their conversation in all righteousness, chastity, and wisdom. If any one were to preach to these men the inventions of the heretics, speaking to them in their own language, they would at once stop their ears, and flee as far off as possible, not enduring even to listen to the blasphemous address. **

Thus, by means of that ancient tradition of the apostles, they do not suffer their mind to conceive anything of the [doctrines suggested by the] portentous language of these teachers, among whom neither Church nor doctrine has ever been established.

• Irenaeus, “Against the Heresies” (Book 3, Chapter 4)

 

[csperez]

It is good to read the book that focuses on God.
i would like to know more about Him. If one
loves a person, one dwells on subjects about him, more so if one loves God. thank you.

Steven John;4955968:

Yes,
we should all make scripture a focus to our life so much so we need to place it above tradition.
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Except, of course, that the Holy Scriptures are partof Tradition and without the Traditions handed on by the apostles we would not have the Scripture.

Thi is such a tired argument . . .