Pope requests TLM in every parish?

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Eilish_Maura said:
If there is no one asking for it in a particular parish then why should it be offered?
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I don’t think so. But I like your implied version of a stable group as underlined in your quote.

With that in mind…seems like the last 30 days have JUST flown by so rather quickly
 
Eilish_Maura said:
If there is no one asking for it in a particular parish then why should it be offered?
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Perhaps we can define “offered” here.
By “offered” do we mean performed? Or do we mean available/possible, as in each and every priest is trained and CAN perform the Mass for any who wish it.

If no one asks for the EF to be performed, then certainly there is no need to say a mass in the EF. However should conditions change, as they certainly may in any given parish, shouldn’t the priest assigned to the parish be capable of saying the mass in either form?

Thus, by assuring that ALL seminarians are trained to say BOTH valid Masses, we assure that the TLM is “offered”, and avaiable to any and all who desire it.

I think that this is the main thrust of the letters to the seminaries. To assure that our new priests are fully prepared to offer the Glorious Sacrifice of the Mass in Both acknowledged forms.

Peace
James
 
Hey, I’m for whatever we are told to do. If anything, that would be one less Mass that we would need to provide music for. On the other hand, I do not think the Holy Father will use a British secular newspaper as a vehicle for such a sweeping change. Does everyone remember how long he mulled and worked before releasing the much milder MP?
 
Eilish_Maura said:
If there is no one asking for it in a particular parish then why should it be offered?
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Perhaps the pope would answer, to improve the liturgical life of that parish. There are very few parishes, I expect, that could not use some improvement in their liturgical lives.

Why do you seem to be so adamant against the EF? Why does it seem from your posts to bother you so much? You don’t have to attend, you know.
 
pnewton said:
Hey, I’m for whatever we are told to do. If anything, that would be one less Mass that we would need to provide music for.
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Huh? Why do you equate an EF Mass with a no-music Mass? That is certainly not the ideal.
 
VociMike said:
Huh? Why do you equate an EF Mass with a no-music Mass? That is certainly not the ideal.
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Because they would have to provide a Gregorian choir - the regular parish choir would not be allowed to do the singing for an EF Mass, because they are not trained in Gregorian chant.

(I took it as meaning he would not be required to provide the music - not that there would be no music.)
 
VociMike said:
Perhaps the pope would answer, to improve the liturgical life of that parish. There are very few parishes, I expect, that could not use some improvement in their liturgical lives.

Why do you seem to be so adamant against the EF? Why does it seem from your posts to bother you so much? You don’t have to attend, you know.
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I am sure there are other ways to improve the liturgical life of a parish that has no need/interest in the EF.
 
Eilish_Maura said:
I am sure there are other ways to improve the liturgical life of a parish that has no need/interest in the EF.
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Since you are answering a post after mine on the definition of “Offer” (Post number 21), can I ask you opinion on this.
Do you agree that all priests, in particular, seminarians should be trained to say the Mass in the EF?
Wouldn’t this satisfy the idea of “offering” the mass at every parish, even if the parish does not have a regular EF mass?

Peace
James
 
VociMike said:
Huh? Why do you equate an EF Mass with a no-music Mass? That is certainly not the ideal.
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Because in my parish we have no choir, no musicians trained in chant and, at least at this time, too little funds to hire professional trained musicians to come in and do the Mass. On the other hand, the ordinary form of the Mass is more suited to the few amateurs we have.

If anything is ever mandated across the board such practical concessions would have to be made. I am sure that a silent Mass would be preferable to a guitar, vernacular music added to the TLM.

Another issue would be the priests who are either poorly prepared or poorly motivated taking liberties with the Mass, or generally messing it up. But then it is not like that doesn’t happen some what now. If nothing else, it would pin the problems of abuse more on the priest than on the form.
 
pnewton said:
Because in my parish we have no choir, no musicians trained in chant and, at least at this time, too little funds to hire professional trained musicians to come in and do the Mass. On the other hand, the ordinary form of the Mass is more suited to the few amateurs we have.
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Choirs can be formed.
You don’t need musicians for Chants.
A low mass requires no music at all.
If anything is ever mandated across the board such practical concessions would have to be made. I am sure that a silent Mass would be preferable to a guitar, vernacular music added to the TLM.
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The TLM was offered on the hoods of Jeeps in the Second World War. IN Germany, silent night was first played in church on the guitar because the organ was broken.
Note every TLM must have pomp and ceremony.
Another issue would be the priests who are either poorly prepared or poorly motivated taking liberties with the Mass, or generally messing it up. But then it is not like that doesn’t happen some what now. If nothing else, it would pin the problems of abuse more on the priest than on the form.
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Hence the letters to seminaries asking that they make arrangements to assure that priests are properly trained in BOTH forms.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
Choirs can be formed.
You don’t need musicians for Chants.
A low mass requires no music at all.
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Choir members are musicians. No doubt we would not be alone in needing to have a low Mass in order to offer a Gregorian Mass, as it was called. Not every community has the wealth of musicians necessary even for chant. Get this, 1200 families, not even one pianist or organist in the whole bunch. 😛

I admit that this would not be what I prefer. But if the Holy Father ever says to do it, I’ll be the first to help in any way I can.
 
pnewton said:
Choir members are musicians. No doubt we would not be alone in needing to have a low Mass in order to offer a Gregorian Mass, as it was called. Not every community has the wealth of musicians necessary even for chant. **Get this, 1200 families, not even one pianist or organist in the whole bunch. **😛
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At least none that are willing to volunteer.
I admit that this would not be what I prefer. But if the Holy Father ever says to do it, I’ll be the first to help in any way I can.
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That’s the spirit.
God Bless.

Peace
James
 
Eilish_Maura said:
I am sure there are other ways to improve the liturgical life of a parish that has no need/interest in the EF.
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One could advance an argument that it is precisely the parish that shows the surest lack of interest in the EF that has the direst need for it.

:o
 
Eilish_Maura said:
I am sure there are other ways to improve the liturgical life of a parish that has no need/interest in the EF.
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If I may ask a semi-rhetorical question.

I have often heard this or that person reference the, “Parish that has no interest in the EF”, when discussing issues of implementation.
In this area I am not aware of any parishes that have made ANY effort to poll the parishoners to see if if there is, indeed, “no interest”.
I am not aware of any parishes that have even placed a paragraph in their bulletins regarding how one would go about requesting, or otherwise determining, if there is a “Stable Group” interested in the EF.
I am even more certain that the person making such a statement has not polled their parish to determine the validity of their statement.

Now given a parish size of anywhere between 400 and 1200, families, my guess that there are a few who are, at least curious about the EF.

Given this fact, and assuming that this is a fairly common situation, how can anyone refer to any parish as having “no need/interest in the EF”?

Peace
James
 
tassitus said:
One could advance an argument that it is precisely the parish that shows the surest lack of interest in the EF that has the direst need for it.

:o
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The MP was not about promoting increased use of the EF so talk of pushing it on all parishes flus in the face of it.
 
JRKH said:
If I may ask a semi-rhetorical question.

I have often heard this or that person reference the, “Parish that has no interest in the EF”, when discussing issues of implementation.
In this area I am not aware of any parishes that have made ANY effort to poll the parishoners to see if if there is, indeed, “no interest”.
I am not aware of any parishes that have even placed a paragraph in their bulletins regarding how one would go about requesting, or otherwise determining, if there is a “Stable Group” interested in the EF.
I am even more certain that the person making such a statement has not polled their parish to determine the validity of their statement.

Now given a parish size of anywhere between 400 and 1200, families, my guess that there are a few who are, at least curious about the EF.

Given this fact, and assuming that this is a fairly common situation, how can anyone refer to any parish as having “no need/interest in the EF”?

Peace
James
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That may be true in your area but not mine. Locally there are parishes that have an interest and now offer th EF at least once a month and others that don’t and have no plans to do so.
 
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